(October 2008) | Interview By:
Chad Kiser &
Dubcnn finally caught up with The Villain
himself, MC Ren, for an exclusive interview during the recent N.W.A VH1
special. We find out where he's been and what he's been doing over recent
years and also discuss his planned new projects. Ren takes us back in time
to the N.W.A. and Ruthless Records era as well as delving into religion and
We are sure you'll agree it's high time MC Ren was back recording music and
releasing it regularly and it appears he agrees and is ready to grasp the
internet in both hands and deliver new material to his fans!
So join us for another peek back into time, as we go old school on you once
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Interview was done by phone in October 2008
Questions Asked By:
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The MC Ren Intervew
A Dubcnn Exclusive
By Chad Kiser aka Noncentz
Dubcnn: So Ren, where
you been at lately?
Enjoying family life. Chilliní with family; staying away from all the
Dubcnn: Where are you at right now?
Iím in California at a secret, undislcosed location! *laughs*
Dubcnn: Youíre getting ready to come out with another project soon,
Yeah thatís right! Iím working on an album called Renincarnated. Iíve
got the first single up on the internet, Return of the Villain; the
sh-tís slamminí too, so thatís what it is.
Dubcnn: Okay, tell us a little about the project. Who do you have
producing on it & what features are on it?
Right now weíre in about halfway. Iím doing most of my own production on
that sh-t. I donít want to feature nobody on my sh-t right now because
too many records right now be just features on it. Motherf-ckers pay
their money to hear you and they hear you spit like a 12 or 16, and
thatís it on the whole album, so I donít want nobody on my sh-t.
Dubcnn: What kind of topics or concepts are you tackling on this
Just like everything, from political sh-t to wack fools in the game. I
donít want to say too much sh-t, put my sh-t out there because someone
might take my sh-t and run with it.
Dubcnn: I heard at one time there was a group forming wth you, RBX
and Big Rocc called the Concrete Criminalz, is that still something
thatís in the works?
No, what it is, Rocc is my homeboy and I did a couple tracks for theie
project, with some beats and thatís it. I saw that sh-t on the computer
one day and was like Iím in a group? Nah, I was never in the group,
thatís them, not me. I just did a couple beats for them.
Dubcnn: So, when you say beats, you produce as well?
Yeah, Iím a production head, exactly.
Dubcnn: Are you doing the production on youíre new album?
Yep. I got this other cat Iíve been working with, heís doing some tracks
wth me, too. His name is Apocolypse. Heís like a new cat, but he got
fire! But the majority of the tracks, Iím doing all that sh-t.
Dubcnn: Did you do any of the production on any of the N.W.A. songs?
Nah, that was Dre. Couldnít nobody touch his sh-t when he was doing it
Dubcnn: Now you were writing, and obviously at one point Cube was
writing for the group and D.O.C. was writing. How did you decide whose
verse was going to get put on and what was the spirit of competition
like between you three?
When we was writing sh-t, Dre was doing the track; heíd give Cube a
track, it wasnít like we were competing to write for it. If Cube got a
track for Eís album, heíd do the song. Then heíd give me a certain
track, Iíd write something for this song. It wasnít like heíd give me a
song say write for it then tell somebody else to write for the same
track, you see what Iím saying? Weíd each handed our individual tracks
and weíd write this for these. Whatever he felt was good for that
Dubcnn: Now on the track Always Into Something you had a line that
said Ďif Dre didnít do it then I canít f-ck with itĒ. Why havenít you
and Dre hooked up more throughout the years since N.W.A.?
Man, everybodys doing their own sh-t. He has his own sh-t to do, I have
my own sh-t to do. I donít want to be calling people, man, to do this
and do that. Heís doing his thing with his artists. For a while I wasnít
even doing sh-t; I wasnít even thinking about Dre calling. Not like
that, but not calling him or whoever because I wasnít doing nothing.
Even when I was doing my albums back when I was on Ruthless it was like
Dre was busy doing his sh-t. Everyone was busy so I was like I can just
do my sh-t with whoever.
Dubcnn: What was life like on Ruthless after Eazy-E passed and Tomika took
Well, sh-t, it wasnít the same! It wasnít going to be the same at that
time. Even before he passed it wasnít the same,like how it used to be.
They did cool with Bone and all that, but basically it wasnít the same.
Dubcnn: Do you feel that Tomika messed that situation up?
Well, I ainít gong to say she messed no situations up. It just ainít
going to be the same. You know, like if someone is running a big company
and they pass away, itís just not the same. It took years to build that
sh-t, so after he passed and after he put all that hard work in it, it
just start declining because it was too many problems building up in the
Dubcnn: So, how does that make you feel as somebody who helped build
Ruthless Records, along with Eazy and N.W.A., that it isnít out there
like what Puffy did with Bad Boy, what Suge did with Death Row, Master P
and No Limit, Russell Simmons and Def Jam, etc.?
Nothing lasts forever. Def Jam isnít the Def Jam like it used to be back
in the day. No limit, that isnít around. No record label is going to
last forever; no country is going to last forever. Nothing lasts
forever, but it is what it is. It was great when it had the run it had,
it left its mark in hip-hop history and tht sh-t will never be erased.
Dubcnn: How does it feel to have a dude like Game come through 20
years later repping Compton so hard, knowing that you and N.W.A. and
Eazy was a direct influence and he was a direct product of that era?
Man, it feels good! For one, it feels good because he repping Compton
harder than when we came out and two, heís tight, heís not wack. Itíd be
different if he was wack, but heís super tight and heís repping to the
fullest. To know we had an influence on him, thatís the sh-t!
Dubcnn: Iíd like to see you and Game do a track together.
Maybe in the future, after I finish up my sh-t.
Dubcnn: Has he ever reached out to you to record?
No, but maybe one day. I ainít trippiní, but maybe one day.
Dubcnn: You originally had a verse on Dreís 2001 record, the Bang
Bang song, what happened to that?
Man, I donít know. All I can tell you is that I did it and that sh-t was
tight as hell, but my part was taken out so I donít know. Somebody had
told me one time that the guy I had replaced on the song started
complaining and crying about it when they found out, so they took me
off. I donít know who the person was.
Dubcnn: What happened to that album Life Sentence that you were
working on before you converted to Islam?
Yeah, I scrapped that. That is no more.
Dubcnn: Did you not put that out because of a confliction in beliefs
at the time?
No, there was no conflict, I just didnít like the title no more, it was
wack. I just changed my mind.
Dubcnn: I want to take you back to something you eluded to early
about no country last forever, no record label last forever. I want to
get your thoughts about what is going on today with the U.S., the Middle
East and Iraq. What are your thoughts on that?
My thoughts are America needs to mind their own motherf-ckin business
abroad. America is the bully of the world. They got f-ckiní military
bases all around the world in other peopleís countries like the one in
Guantanomo Bay. What other country got a military base in America? So
itís like some world conquest sh-t. These motherf-ckers is just trying
to imitate the ancient Greeks, ancient Romans and all that bulllsh-t;
how they had all their sh-t all over the place. Thatís all theyíre doing
and itís going to bite them in the ass. It already bit them in the ass,
but itís going to continue to bite them in the ass if they keep doing
that sh-t. The real foreign policy should be to get all the
motherf-ckers out of all the military bases around the world! Theyíre in
Japan, Germany, Cuba, Turkey; theyíre everywhere, but ainít nobody here.
Dubcnn: Itís the pride and ego of America. Itís crazy because theyíre
still holding on to it Ė weíre dying over there
They got an illusion that weíre like America back in the day when they
was just kicking everybodys ass at war, that sh-t over with. America
used to be a super power that motherf-cker barely holding on right now,
and then the economy and how it's, thatís the number one sign of youíre
country dying; the sudden start of youíre economy getting f-cked up.
Thatís the same sh-t that happened in Russia when all that sh-t f-cked
up over there. They better look and learn.
Dubcnn: Do you think weíll see a full collapse?
It ainít no telling, especially if motherfuckiní McCain gets in office.
There ainít no telling what youíre liable to see. Thatís the problem,
like I was telling you, motherf-ckers be so comfortable being 30, 40, 50
years-old living in America thinking that sh-t we see on the news every
day canít happen to us. Yeah, that sh-t can happen. This ainít even the
worst! The worst is still to come, watch.
Dubcnn: What are your thoughts on Barack Obama?
Heís cool. Iíd rather have him in office than McCain. But even with
Obama in office, heís going to have motherf-ckers telling him what to
do. A lot of motherf-ckers think heís going to get in office and he can
change things himself, but thereís still going to be advisors telling
him what to do. But itís good for change because it would let black kids
know that they could be president because itís been too long to not have
no black president, or latino president. That sh-t could just signal to
the world, damn they want a change, a black president. Because McCain
coming into that motherf-cker, ainít no telling what heís going to do.
McCain get in there he liable going to try to f-ck with North Korea;
bomb Iran just so he can get his name known. Man heís been trying to be
president since he could walk. Heíll try anything. Heís bullsh-t, dog.
Dubcnn: Heís part of all that Illuminati breed, man.
Heís part of all that sh-t. If that motherf-cker becomes president,
watch out for what happens.
Dubcnn: When you started coming out with your solo projects following
N.W.A., the content was so different than what N.W.A. was doing, with
religious undertones and the political content.
I just started thinking about different sh-t at that time, studying
other sh-t, reading about sh-t. I just wanted to go another way with my
sh-t. It was kinda the same, but some of the sh-t was different. I like
that sh-t though.
Do you still follow the Muslim faith?
I donít want to get into it, but I follow a lot of it. The main
religions are Christianity, Muslim, and Judaism. I donít want to label
myself as I follow this or that; letís just say I follow God. I believe
in God. Iím all religions wrapped in one. Everybodyís worshipping the
same God, just by a different name.
Dubcnn: Itís crazy how, in America, people get so caught up on all
the titles. When you think about John the Baptist, Paul, Jesus, these
people didnít even speak english. That wasnít their names. Mary wasnít
Jesusí momís name.
Itís the language. A lot of people think they spoke english back then,
they donít even know that. Thatís how dumb a lot of people are, and
theyíll argue up & down about sh-t they reading and not even know what
language it came out of, or what the meanings of the language when itís
Dubcnn: As far as your new album, do you have a release date
Man, Iím going to try to release this sh-t the beginning of the year, on
the internet, f-ck record companies. iTunes, Rhapsody, all that, along
with my website. Just straight through the internet.
Dubcnn: How many songs deep are you or did you just get started?#
I just got started. Iím like 4 deep. It doesnít take me long to do
songs. It is what it is. This sh-t is going to be knocking. Trust me.
Dubcnn: Whatís your process? How do you just get in there and knock
them out like that?
If I got the track, Iím just writing to it at home. I donít want to tell
my secret because I donít want people to know my secret and how my sh-t
be done. In the studio, I put the beat up and usually just go through
one or two tanks and itís a wrap. Iíve been doing this so long I can
just do that sh-t, boom boom boom and knock a song out real fast.
Beginning of the year itís done. Because I was taking my time, it ainít
like im rushing a lot of motherf-ckers be rushing, Iím just taking my
time. If I feel like today going to do this song I will, but if Iím like
f-ck it then I ainít doing sh-t today, Iím going to watch football or do
this or that but itís going to be done by the first of the year.
Dubcnn: A lot of people know that Eazy-E passed away, but what a lot
of people donít know is that youíre DJ, DJ Train also passed away in
that house fire. Tell us a little bit about DJ Train and what your
relationship was like with him.
Yeah, he did, in í94. He was like my best friend; he went to the same
high school. We had a printing class and our teacher used to let us go
in the back room and we paid him to shoot dice. Thatís how we got cool
back there shooting dice. Then one day he found out I could rhyme and he
told me he could DJ. I went over to his house and didnít even know he
stayed right there on the street. I went over there and he was doing all
kinds of sh-t, f-ckin it up on the turn tables! I remember taking him
over to Ericís house, and said check him out. He did his sh-t! After
that, thatís when Eazy got JJ Fad and he did some sh-t with them, they
didnít have a DJ. Train was my DJ because I was going to be a solo
artist, but E put Train with them and then they just start touring all
over the world and I was like damn.
Dubcnn: Were you mad about that?
Nah, I wasnít mad because I knew my turn was going to come because when
they did that, thatís when they brought me in N.W.A. So I knew we were
going to put some sh-t out. Itís just our sh-t hadnít blown up, it was
just local motherf-ckers.
Dubcnn: Before you guys hit nationally and took over the world, did
N.W.A. have a big local following?
Yeah we were kinda big. They used to play our sh-t. The radio station
out here at the time, they used to play a lot of records we did. Weíd
take them up there, call up Greg Mack, theyíd play our sh-t like that.
It was all over the place out here and we were big out in the bay area.
Dubcnn: What were you doing before N.W.A.?
I was in groups and all that. They had records that they were making I
was just in my neighborhood. Believe it or not, I was about to go into
the army. Me and my homeboy were about to go into the army and I
remember we went and saw that movie Full Metal Jacket and we were like
Ďhell no!í. Then easy took me and him some cottage out here and biz
marke was doing a show and when I saw that sh-t there ainít no way Iím
going into the army, f-ck that.
Dubcnn: So why didnít the N.W.A. reunion ever really happen?
Sh-t I donít know.
Dubcnn: When you go back and listen to the music, Efil4zaggin, the
sh-t is that funny; a lot of the content. Was it wild back then with all
the women, or did all that just happen in the studio?
Just some crazy sh-t was going on, thatís all I can say. All of us had
our way in L.A. It was crazy.
Dubcnn: I remember seeing you on MTV with all the pool parties!
Yeah, Eric used to have some tight pool parties! It was off the hook!
Dubcnn: When all the backlash happened with the government at the
height of it all, what was that like being in the circle with the whole
world talking about you guys?
Sh-t it was good. We looked at it as more publicity for us when all that
came. It did what it did. It gave us some publicity, we was happy.
Dubcnn: What about Jerry Heller? When was the last time you talked to
That had to be like 1992 or 1993.
Dubcnn: Itís been that long?
Dubcnn: What about Dre and Cube, or Yella, when was the last time you
talked with either of them?
Last time I talked to Cube was 6-7 months ago. I havenít talk to Dre
since the Up In Smoke Tour. I talked to Yella probably about 3 years
Dubcnn: You say you havenít talked to Dre since the Up In Smoke Tour,
so I guess we canít look for you on Detox then?
Nope, but my sh-t is going to be tight though. Iím like Don King, I
gotta pump up my sh-t right now!