2008) | Interview By:
Dubcnn tapped in with the D.O.C. for
an exclusive interview for the first time in two years [see
the 2006 feature]. In Part 1 of the interview, D.O.C starts right off
touching on the long-anticipated Dr. Dre solo album Detox. From there he chops
it up with us about the No One Can Do It Better album from back in the day,
Dr. Dre, N.W.A., Mel-Man, and even talks about a new D.O.C. record produced by
the good Doctor!
Interview was done by phone in April 2008
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Dubcnn: Whatís up?
Whatís crackiní, goddamn it?
Dubcnn: Well, I know youíre in the studio right now, so whatís going on in
We trying to get this Detox record finished, man, this summer. We trying to
get it ready everyday. They call it the most anticipated blah, blah, blah,
blah. So, weíre trying to make sure itís worth the wait.
Dubcnn: What kind of direction has that project taken?
You know that guy donít want me to talk about that stuff.
Dubcnn: Are we going to get a surprise 16 by you?
You know what? My ď16ísĒ are all over the record. You wonít hear my voice, but
Dubcnn: So you doing some heavy writing on that Detox record, huh?
Come on, man! Iíve done every writing on every west coast record thatís major
since the west coast was major.
Dubcnn: In saying that, do you have a favorite project that youíve worked
on, not necessarily Dre, but just anybody out there?
The best record, the most fun I had was probably the Straight Outta Compton
record. Only because, you know, it was all so, so brand-new. And after I had
had my accident, nothing ever really felt the same. It feels a little better
these days because Iím kind of over it a little bit. It feels good to be back
in the position that I am with Dre. We havenít been this close since we met,
you know, 20 years ago.
Dubcnn: I know youíve spoke on it many times before, but can you sum up how
you and Dre met, and formed that bond that made you all so close.
We had a mutual friend in Dallas, before I knew these guys. Dre came to visit
the guy in Texas, and he heard me rapping. He was very impressed with my
skills. When I saw his production skills, I was very impressed with that as
well. So, I followed him back to the west coast; words and music go together.
As a matter of fact, Mel Man, one of Dreís producers, told me once that he
asked Dre who was, out of all the artists heís ever recorded with who rapped
his beats the hardest. And Mel-Man told me that he told him it was me, and I
believe that. I tore a beat up, nigga, back in the day!
Dubcnn: Take us back to the making of No One Can Do It Better. You had
written for NWA and Eazy up to that moment. Tell us about making that album,
and how you felt about that album.
You know what? We made No One Can Do It Better, and it took us about 2 months.
We did it basically on weekends, in our spare time because Eazy & NWA were
touring. We was just making my shit when we had a chance to do it. We didnít
really sit down and put a lot of thought into No One Can Do It Better; it was
what it was. It didnít really have a lot of content, it was just a nigga
rappiní his ass off. I was basically telling muthafuckaz that I was better
than yíall! *laughs*
Dubcnn: Right, Right!
Thatís really what it was. I didnít have to cuss out bitches or call niggaz
out they name. I just basically told everybody, in the nicest way I could, Iím
just better than you. No hard feelings muthafucka!
Dubcnn: You got a favorite song off that album?
The No One Can Do It Better album, yeah, The Formula probably my favorite.
Dubcnn: I like that one and The D.O.C. & The Doctor.
That was probably my favorite two. But Iím a huge Marvin Gaye fan.
Dubcnn: Listening to those old NWA albums, how come you werenít more
involved in those albums, as far as being on the mic? Especially on Straight
Well, Iím not from Compton; Iím from Dallas. So me getting on a record called
Straight Outta Compton didnít fit. That record was about them. I wasnít really
in NWA, I was just there to help them do what they were doing. It was just
path to get to me doing what I wanted to do. It was a learning thing. It makes
me feel good to have helped so many cats over the years find their voices. I
can remember coming to the studio and rapping, and Cube would go home and have
to re-write his shit. We did that a lot! Heíd come and rap his shit, and I
say, ďI got to do my shit over!Ē Iíd come rap my shit and heíd be like, ďI got
to go do my shit over!Ē
I remember those times and building the skill set that would carry us for
years an years. And it feels good to know that those guys, today, that all
still have as much love and respect for one another, as we did then. Me and
Dre was just sitting here talking about this NWA movie that folks is trying to
put together. I donít know what the deal is on that, you know?. Itís not my
thing, but Iíd love to see it because you canít miss me! *laughs* They gotta
throw me in that bitch too!
Dubcnn: Is that something that you all are involved with, or is that
something somebody else is trying to do, that you donít have nothing to do
Nah, thatís something that theyíre trying to put together with the good
Doctor. But I donít know whatís going to happen with that. Iím actually just,
really for my own sake, Iím ďback in the foldĒ so that I could put a happy
ending to my own story; so that you could have a D.O.C. movie one day. My shit
is going to kill all that shit!
Dubcnn: Well, let me ask you this, 'cause I heard the Conspiracy interview
you did and you were talking about this album ďVoices Through Hot VesselsĒ, is
there anything else you can touch on with that?
There is an album, and you got the title, but thatís also because thatís the
title Dre likes. Dre and I decided to do another D.O.C. album after this Detox
record. We decided to do one more together and end our story the right way.
Dubcnn: How did that idea come about?
The idea came about when we were in Hawaii recording for his Detox record. We
were having breakfast and I asked him what he thought about the idea of me
writing 12 songs, and having the people I love and respect the most in this
rap business rap the shit for me. He thought the shit was brilliant. So,
therein was born the idea, and he named it Vessels Through Hot Voices or some
shit. It really doesnít have a title yet. But this is the idea as soon as we
get done, or we get towards the end of Detox. Then Iím going to start putting
energy into building songs and finding the artists that I want to work with.
Itís going to be a global-warming kind of thing because itís not just going to
be west coast muthafuckaz, or east coast muthafuckaz or just south muthafuckaz;
maybe not even just United States muthafuckaz! I really want to go all over
the place with this record and really try to do some real shit; run a mad dash
back to content within the music, which is what weíve lost a lot of. Most of
the people today donít want content back in the music like I do. If you have
content in the material you have to sort of pay attention (laughs). You canít
just run and jump, bob your head and dance, and think youíre going to get it.
You have to listen a little bit.
Dubcnn: Along with those questions, a lot of people question the moves
going on over at Aftermath. With you being so close to Dre, whatís the story
behind the Rakimís, Hittmanís, Truth Hurts and people like that? How come they
donít see the light of day?
Dr. Dre, heís a hard man to please, man. For real, man. You canít come in the
house if your stomach is weak because they will laugh at you *laughs*. Itís
tough! This guy puts a lot of energy into his shit, and either he feels it or
he donít. And itís his house! You canít tell a muthafucka how to run his
house. Me and Dre have bumped heads plenty of times; we done argued and cussed
each other out. Weíll leave, come back together; leave come back together, but
thatís love and respect. One thing Iíll never do is take his word, at least
from now on, Iíve learned my lesson. Iím not going to fight with him no more.
When he say that shit ainít good, Iíma ride with it. I didnít hear a lot of
the peopleís records youíre talking about, you know, Truth Hurts. I know her;
never heard her record. I never heard King Tís record; I never heard Rakimís
shit. I was really excited about Rakim because I thought Rakim was one of the
few people that motivated me. And I thought that when he got with Dre it was
going to piss me off so bad that I was going to write some shit that was going
to change the world! But it never came out.
Dubcnn: Mel-Man was such a big part of 2001, then he just disappeared
shortly after that. Now weíre hearing that heís back, but no one I guess
really knows. Can you confirm that?
Mel-Man is always around. But sometimes, and Iím going to say this as humbly
as I can. Dre is a giver, and he will give you...like a lot of people always
tend to give other folks credit Ďcause theyíre around when shit is going down.
But, if it come out of here, you can bet your last money Dre is on it so
tough, that anybody elseís energy that wouldíve been on it is being smothered.
You understand? Itís no longer there. Like, if I found a sample and gave it to
Dre, what heís going to do with it is going to make it so different from what
it was when I had it that in order for me to claim it, it would take a lot of
nuts and a lot of pride. And pride is not good.
Dre is not in to ĎI did thatí, because he already knows he did the shit.
Thatís the same shit used when Daz was around. It was supposed to be all Dazís.
I sit and watch these niggaz. They give the nigga [Dre] the drums and he takes
them and builds them Ďcause they canít do what Dre do. They donít have his
ears. So itís all in the guyís ears and how he hears the shit. Itís not
something so special that heís doing to the drums that they not doing. You can
use the same equipment that he uses, but heís going to turn that button a
little differently than you turn it, and make that shit sound different.
Thatís the key. Thatís the key.
Dubcnn: After 2001, you hit us up with ďDeuceĒ. Did you accomplish what you
wanted to accomplish with that release? Do you feel good about that record?
You know what? I really felt good at the time, but ďDeuceĒ was the result of
an argument between me and Dre. That record was actually supposed to be an
album on a guy called Six-Two, who was in my camp. But as we started building
the album, it was coming through Aftermath, me and Dre got into an argument.
So I just took my shit and left.
Dubcnn: Similar to what it was with the Helter Skelter project?
Well yeah. I told you we fuss, we fight; weíre brothers. But the Helter
Skelter record was really Dreís record, I just took it *laughs*.
Dubcnn: Just took it and ran with it!
Just took it and ran with it Ďcause Iím the only nigga that could do that! I
relish my position as the man, next to the man goddamn it!
Dubcnn: On that Deuce record, that 1-2-3 Critical...that song was dope was
Ďcause it reminded me of the Portrait Of A Masterpiece of your No One Can Do
It Better album.
Thatís exactly what it was! When I did Deuce, what I was trying to do was
duplicate my years that I spent. I was trying to make a record that sort of
encompassed all that time. And use all those artists the same way Dre used all
the artists on the Chronic. But when I made the record, Dre was really adamant
that I take my ass off that record. He wanted to take my voice off, and put
his voice on it where ever I was. He was like, ďnigga, I can make this a hit
for you! You can get rich!Ē I was like, ďI donít want to be rich, I want to
rap, nigga!Ē He said, ďI canít put it out like that.Ē We argued and fussed, so
I finally just took my shit and left. But here 5, 6, 7 years later I realized
that it was my pride and I was still trying to find that D.O.C. shit again.
Even 20 years after the fact, not being able to rap is probably the toughest
thing Iíve ever had to deal with. I mean, Ďcause Iím still better than all
these muthafuckaz, man.
Dubcnn: In the stuff that you write for other people, we can hear it. We
know itís there.
And you know whatís funny? When I write songs for them they always fuck my
raps up! My rhythms are very intricate. If you donít know exactly what the
fuck youíre saying, youíre not going to be able to say it right. But, you
know, people donít give a fuck. So, as long as it sounds alright, itís all
Dubcnn: So whatís up with Silverback, and more specifically Six-Two and the
cats you had with that?
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