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Quote from: SGV on February 09, 2006, 05:35:38 PMQuote from: Jrome The Damaja on February 09, 2006, 04:09:54 PMUh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV. You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.You act as if "Mesmerize" was his first radio-friendly-sing-song-for-the-bitches joint ever. So, see where I'm going with the double standards? You say Em's was expected, by the time 50 started dissing Ja, he had already made his name by making joints like "Mesmerize." That's what I'm talking about with the double standards. You say one thing about Em, but flip it about another artist.Niyasin: You can read above as well. Everyone always has an excuse for Eminem making garbage tracks, as long as he was their favorite. Now that he's losing popularity, people are beginning to see the trash he does and has put out.What the fuck are you talking about? You said Em lost his cred when he did Real Slim Shady - what the fuck are you basing that on? Did you interpret my name is as a street anthem? Real Slim Shady was nothing but an uptempo My Name Is. So no, i don't see your double standard.
Quote from: Jrome The Damaja on February 09, 2006, 04:09:54 PMUh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV. You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.You act as if "Mesmerize" was his first radio-friendly-sing-song-for-the-bitches joint ever. So, see where I'm going with the double standards? You say Em's was expected, by the time 50 started dissing Ja, he had already made his name by making joints like "Mesmerize." That's what I'm talking about with the double standards. You say one thing about Em, but flip it about another artist.Niyasin: You can read above as well. Everyone always has an excuse for Eminem making garbage tracks, as long as he was their favorite. Now that he's losing popularity, people are beginning to see the trash he does and has put out.
Uh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV. You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.
How was he different? LOL. I swear you people must've never even heard his albums.6 Feet Underground, Die, Fuck You, The Rule Won't Die, Dial M for Murder, Down Ass Bitch, Worldwide Gangsta, Smokin And Ridin, Pop Niggas, The Pledge Remix, Murder Me, The Warning, Connected.Unforunately, Nelly was never making songs like these. How exactly did he change? He still made his hood/hardcore songs, but catered to the females at the same time. You say Em was smart about it? How wasn't Ja? LOL. Ja never switched his style, he was still singing on his first album too. He was the same rapper, but on a bigger scale... That was the ONLY difference.