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Quote from: Shallow on March 06, 2006, 07:47:42 AMI don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).The film never tells the viewer why racism is wrong. It just shows how racism shapes people's lives, of course some parts were not entire believeable and exxaragerated but if it wasnt it would have been impossible to show that point and too damn long.
I don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).
Quote from: Javy on March 06, 2006, 12:15:27 PMQuote from: Shallow on March 06, 2006, 07:47:42 AMI don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).The film never tells the viewer why racism is wrong. It just shows how racism shapes people's lives, of course some parts were not entire believeable and exxaragerated but if it wasnt it would have been impossible to show that point and too damn long. How does it not? It has a racist cop molest a black woman, a man almost shoot a girl because he thought he was a victim of racism, a not so racist cop show that he is racist by assuming a black man has a gun. This movie has a clear don't assume with out knowing message and it's a great message, I just don't think it's that great a movie. A PG version would be a great addition to any high school social studies class though. You can disagree about the quality and rightfully disagree but you can't deny it's meant as an educational film with examples with morals. Haggis has said so in plenty of interviews.
And Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.
Quote from: Shallow on March 06, 2006, 06:34:33 PMAnd Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.Well you do realize that the movie they did the song for was about pimps and drug dealers right? As for how 3-6 carried themselves, I don't know them personally so I can't speak on it. In my opinion, they did just fine. Especially considering that they're ghetto as hell lol.
I agree with Shallow
Quote from: -Sikotic- on March 06, 2006, 09:21:48 PMQuote from: Shallow on March 06, 2006, 06:34:33 PMAnd Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.Well you do realize that the movie they did the song for was about pimps and drug dealers right? As for how 3-6 carried themselves, I don't know them personally so I can't speak on it. In my opinion, they did just fine. Especially considering that they're ghetto as hell lol.I don't have a problem with the actual song (eventhough I could see it only being nominated because racist whites to laugh at black stereotypes). The interpretive dance didn't blend with the hip hop style performance but that's neither here nor there.As for how they carried themselves; if I go to where they live and go to church with them on Sunday and hang out with just them afterwards and they dress up like that and speak like that a hype up everything then I'll retract what I said. Until then I'll see it as just another case of "keeping it real". I just find it odd that in a place where they tell everyone to get dressed up and stay dressed up that these guys were allowed to dress like that. Even the girl who sang the hook and played a whore in the film was dressed up and she looked fine singing that song. I don't think it would have taken anything away from the performance if they had suits on, particularly considering the interpretive dance involved. And I think they were allowed to dress up like that because who ever let them was counting on people laughing at them. I'm not upset with Three 6 because I think they are the victims in this. I think a lot of people won't say too much about it because the blacks won't go too far since they are street rappers and the whites will just pretend it wasa good fun time. If Terrence Howard had performed the song dressed like that then he'd be the victim of fury this week.
Quote from: Shallow on March 07, 2006, 06:26:27 AMQuote from: -Sikotic- on March 06, 2006, 09:21:48 PMQuote from: Shallow on March 06, 2006, 06:34:33 PMAnd Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.Well you do realize that the movie they did the song for was about pimps and drug dealers right? As for how 3-6 carried themselves, I don't know them personally so I can't speak on it. In my opinion, they did just fine. Especially considering that they're ghetto as hell lol.I don't have a problem with the actual song (eventhough I could see it only being nominated because racist whites to laugh at black stereotypes). The interpretive dance didn't blend with the hip hop style performance but that's neither here nor there.As for how they carried themselves; if I go to where they live and go to church with them on Sunday and hang out with just them afterwards and they dress up like that and speak like that a hype up everything then I'll retract what I said. Until then I'll see it as just another case of "keeping it real". I just find it odd that in a place where they tell everyone to get dressed up and stay dressed up that these guys were allowed to dress like that. Even the girl who sang the hook and played a whore in the film was dressed up and she looked fine singing that song. I don't think it would have taken anything away from the performance if they had suits on, particularly considering the interpretive dance involved. And I think they were allowed to dress up like that because who ever let them was counting on people laughing at them. I'm not upset with Three 6 because I think they are the victims in this. I think a lot of people won't say too much about it because the blacks won't go too far since they are street rappers and the whites will just pretend it wasa good fun time. If Terrence Howard had performed the song dressed like that then he'd be the victim of fury this week.3-6 Mafia did dress up during the ceremony. They all had suits on. Why would they be wearing suits and tuxedos during their performance? Its not like they were walking around in jeans and t-shirts the entire time. I feel bad for the poor academy. If they let 3-6 Mafia win, they're racist & they want to see a bunch of, in your words, low level blacks, dance around like fools. If they allow 3-6 Mafia to lose, then that means they didn't stand a chance and they nominated them just out of pity. Basically, the voters are damned if they do and damned if they don't.To be quite honest, I think you guys are putting the stigma around african-americans moreso than the Oscars ever did.