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The hip-hop community will be the next segment of US soceity to embrace Islam
Shallow:
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--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 06:45:43 AM ---1.) It's the artform that pisses me off, it's hte fact that these days so many of the samples are batant copies with little done to chacge them other than the tempo, and then the guy who produced them gets so much credit as a genius composer. Listen to the original samples of G Thang or Jesus Walks and you'll hear that the main part is all there. Adding a few bells and whistles in the background doesn't make you a genius.
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You think I don't know the samples? LOL, I grew up in the 80s', and my folks were from the R&B/funk/soul generation, so I grew up listening to a lot of the artists that rappers would soon be sampling ad nauseum, folks like James Brown, George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic, Zapp, Issac Hayes, the Ohio Players, you name it. Moms was bumping "I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You" all the time, so I recognized the sample the moment Dre used it in "Nuthin But A G Thang". But that's part of what made it so special to me...these producers managed to re-arrange it in a new way that made it sound fresh again. THAT is their "genius", the part of the art form that you could never appreciate.
Seriously, stop listening to hip-hop...muh'fuckas like you are not needed.
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 06:45:43 AM ---3) G Funk type beat? I'll do my best, and let you know when it's done.
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And I'll be ready to laugh at you when your ass realizes just how wrong you were...IF you're really true to your word (which I doubt you'll be).
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Re-arrange what? It's the same melody exactly. It just cuts out and loops in steda of go crazy like Heywood's version. If I went to some human rights meeting and recited the "I Have a Dream" speech, I wouldn't hope to be called a genius.
For the record, I stopped listening to hip hop along time ago. I'll put in the odd Pac record here and there and take a quick listen to something new of someone tells me it's good but that's it. I'm still on the forum because there are a lot of fans of other music on the Outbound forum, and I like TOT.
I'll have no problem saying I was wrong, but it has to be more than you saying it sucks. When I post it, we'll have a pole and it 50%+ say it's shit compared to the stuff out today then I'll admit how hard it is. I just have to make the intsrumental right. I don't have to rap on it? (I could make Gin and Juice unlistenable with my rapping vocals).
Also don't expect it to sound proffesional in a technical sense. I'm not renting out a pro studio here. I'm just dicking wround on the PC. If I had 5 top level musicians and million dollar equipment it would obviously sound better.
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 07:45:47 AM ---Re-arrange what? It's the same melody exactly. It just cuts out and loops in steda of go crazy like Heywood's version.
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"Nuthin But A G Thang" is not one of Dre's more complex productions. But take any others..."Fuck Wit Dre Day", for example, uses the bassline from Funkadelic's "Knot Just (Knee Deep)", plus elements from three different Parliament songs (including "Funkentelechy", "Aquaboogie", and "The Big Bang Theory"), not to mention live instruments here and there.
Even the simpler songs, however, still have their own layers of depth. Dre came up with his own style, which he called G-Funk, that had a specific template which appealed to a lot of other rappers. So yeah, coming up with your own style of sampling is indeed creative work.
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 07:45:47 AM ---If I went to some human rights meeting and recited the "I Have a Dream" speech, I wouldn't hope to be called a genius.
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Apples and oranges, completely-fucking-irrelevent. I've already said hip-hop is more comparable to bebop than anything else.
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 07:45:47 AM ---For the record, I stopped listening to hip hop along time ago. I'll put in the odd Pac record here and there and take a quick listen to something new of someone tells me it's good but that's it. I'm still on the forum because there are a lot of fans of other music on the Outbound forum, and I like TOT.
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Yeah, well, then maybe you should move on. You aren't needed here anymore.
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 07:45:47 AM ---I'll have no problem saying I was wrong, but it has to be more than you saying it sucks. When I post it, we'll have a pole and it 50%+ say it's shit compared to the stuff out today then I'll admit how hard it is. I just have to make the intsrumental right. I don't have to rap on it? (I could make Gin and Juice unlistenable with my rapping vocals).
Also don't expect it to sound proffesional in a technical sense. I'm not renting out a pro studio here. I'm just dicking wround on the PC. If I had 5 top level musicians and million dollar equipment it would obviously sound better.
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You don't need million-dollar equipment to make good G-Funk beats...do you think most of the West Coast rappers who are indie now have that much stuff? Granted, they ain't using Fruity Loops, either, but most of them are using vastly cheaper equipment than what a major label's studio could provide. Even "Straight Outta Compton" was made on something like a $10 Grande budget, if I recall correctly. I think you'll find that there is a great deal of talent required to come up with these sorts of beats, to choose the sample and re-arrange it as a beat, talent which you lack.
Shallow:
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Why are you so angry?
You are using the best hip hop producer there is to justify talent when I said "very good" rap song. There is no denying Dre hasa great ear, an amazing ear, and is an excellent producer. He just isn't that great of a composer in the grand scheme of things. Put his composing skills up against artists like Lionel Richie, Elton John, or Phil Collins and you'll see Dre lags way behind. He's not a composer, plain and simple. he works with great musicians who can compose sometimes and he knows what sounds good and he uses that.
The point of the King speech was it's absurd when you use another man's words as your own, but not when it's another man's music. I don't care that they do it. I just get pissed off when they calim they made it. Most of the kids that buy his albums think he came up with the Jesus Walks melody himself, and he didn't, and he makes no effort to show where he got it.
There are plenty of threads on this forum that have nothing to do with Hip Hop and I can post wherever I want. This isn't a socialist Nazi forum.
I didn't mean music quality. I meant sound quality. Just don't expect it to soumd like it was recorded in a pro studio. Why would I even have to re-arrange anything. Did Kanye re-arrange the intro to Chicago by CSNY when he made Beanie's The Truth. Did Dre re-arrange Siffre's I Got The when he made My Name Is? Second, what do you know of my talent or lack of talent?
M Dogg™:
On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Diabolical:
The Clash had more talent than Kurt Cobain.
As for this topic its just another attempt to keep people talking about Islam.
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