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nibs:
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 19, 2006, 11:42:29 PM ---That's one thing about most major religions I don't like: they don't teach tolerance towards other people. This goes for Muslims and Christians. Until Christians and Muslims can understand that they can't change eachother's minds (willingly or forcefully) then things will never change.
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the qu'ran teaches tolerance.
sura 42:13-16
He decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. GOD redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit.
Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.
This is what you shall preach, and steadfastly maintain what you are commanded to do, and do not follow their wishes. And proclaim: "I believe in all the scriptures sent down by GOD. I was commanded to judge among you equitably. GOD is our Lord and your Lord. We have our deeds and you have your deeds. There is no argument between us and you. GOD will gather us all together; to Him is the ultimate destiny."
Those who argue about GOD, after receiving His message, their argument is nullified at their Lord. They have incurred condemnation, and have deserved a severe retribution.
that sounds like tolerance.
Don Jacob:
i've got to say this is one of those rare times that i agree 100% with what rod's saying
i just want to say a few things in DEFENSE of christianity of my beliefs here and what infinite has said to denigrate them, to make him and his religion look better
first i just want to say infinite you're living a lie. it's like rod said "you think that every muslum is going around acting like perfect angels" ....don't deny this because that is infact what you're thinking. You ALSO think that Christians are just these hypocrits that only go to church on sunday's then go back to being "evil devils" through out the week. Again i'm going to site Rod here....YOU DO RELIZE THAT A TRUE CHRISTIAN CAN FLIP IT AROUND ON MUSLUMS RIGHT? like rod i've travled around . i havn't LIVED in any other country but i've seen what i've seen and it's enough to make an educated statement.....not every muslum who claims to follow the muslum faith is as devoted to the teaching of the quaran. Many muslums around the world are as commited to the muslum beliefs as these "Evil Christian Americans" you speak and slander .......you want to hear the stories of some real christians
my mom (probably the most religious person i know, hell all my friends call her pastor Pam, and my friend chris even joked that if jesus is going to be seated at the right hand of the father, my mom would be seated at the left hand side)
My mom is the ONLY person i've ever known, who has gone into debt because she gave too much. my mom runs her own business , her own day care center and literally takes people (strangers) into our home from this daycare who are struggling help them out with bills , pays their rent, car payment, buy grocieries for them , ect. and expect NOTHING in return.....and every time when she is asked "why do you do this " she always tells them, "beacause it's waht god would have me do" . My mom was actually even given the monthly award her in Bakersfield for Person of the Month....and declined to accept it because she said "I do what i do to please God and to help people, i don't do it for myself, accepting this award would send the wrong message" ......then she said the same thing when she was nominated for person of the year.....
now lets talk about prayer and church. My mom beleives that Church is for fellowship and it should be reserved for sundays and holidays and that it should be something that you should be apart of daily...and by church she's not talking about some building you go to sit and kneel and read out of a prayer book some prayer you don't know what you're talking about and sing and listen to some dude talk....by church my mom means having fellowship with other TRUE BELIEVERS on a daily basis. Discussing god , what he's done, what he would have us do in a certain cituation ect. basically a support.my mom quotes this from the bible all the time "darkness corrupts good light" meaning that the secular world around us corrupts us from being the good god obeying followers we are and her thing is Light should engage with light to make it stronger to get rid of the darkness, and that's my mom's philosophy on church. now as far praying i don't know many people that do this ...but my mom gets up EVERY day at 2;00 am to pray until her first day care child arives some where around seven, then during nap time she has a bible study for an hour and half then when the kids leave around 6 pm her and my cousin Karen pray for another 2 to 3 to 4 or until they feel they're all prayerd out (lol) and this is just monday through friday ...lol in essence my mom spends a total of 9 hours a day praying or talking to god or doing something that involves her beliefs. and i'm sure if she didn't have to work or do daily chores and shit she'd pray all day which she basically does all week end. and my mom has friends that do this too so it's not like my mom is just some special case . I've met christians who are more in depth than this and i've met christians that is swear must be half angel or something cuz they're just PERFECT....they follow the bibles to the tee.
so infiinite not every christian is what you have in your mind from what your mom and dad are....or what you say rod is ......there are christians who ARE what they preach and then some. not every one of them is apart of this Secular systm that is America,many reject the secularism of it aswell..... I'm suprised you havn't encountered them. There's these tapes my mom always tries to get me to watch called "hells bells the dangers of rock n roll" and it's basically this christian company that makes documentaries about how morally wrong secular (mostly pop music) is wrong and derives people away from god the one my mom has tried....well actually made me watch was made in the 80's and yeah there are some groups in there that are Obvious Like Venom , Coven , and Slayer and Merciful Fate that are obviously satanic but then they launch into even artists that say they are christian and expose how they're not true to chritianity. and these are tapes that have are in circulation in the tens of millions in america , so again this isn't a small portion of america who is actually practicing what's in the bible there's alot more than what you see with your eyes
i'm not going to sit here and banter off about how christianity is the way (it's what I personally believe is the right way ) but i'm not going to sit here and denigrate Islam, or Buddism , or Judaism , just cuz some wolves in sheeps clothing from those religions go around saying they're of these faiths and committ hypocracies
i'm not going to judge Islam because 9 out of 1 billion muslums killed 3,000 innocent people because "allah" told them they were going to fuck some virgins in heaven if they did that
i'm not going to judge Islam because of the rapes, beatings, and killings that go on to this DAY in the name of Allah
because like you'll say "those only represent a perecentage of so called muslums" "they're not really muslums because they're not following alllah's word" .....and i'll agree with that
so brian......the next time you come into a thread or make one trying to generalize christians from a percentage of misguided wolves in sheeps clothing.....think of how easily it can be reciprocated back to your faith. Also you need to think to what your god has said about doing the things in which you are doing.....
....to paraphrase a teaching in the bible .....broad is the road to destruction and narrow is the road to salvation , many who believe and who are perceived to be servers of the one god, shall fall down this road of destruction, only a few who truley serve the one god will live in eternity with him.
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: nibs on April 20, 2006, 12:11:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 19, 2006, 11:42:29 PM ---That's one thing about most major religions I don't like: they don't teach tolerance towards other people. This goes for Muslims and Christians. Until Christians and Muslims can understand that they can't change eachother's minds (willingly or forcefully) then things will never change.
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the qu'ran teaches tolerance.
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Of course it does, so does almost any other religon. The problem is that it is never fully practiced. People say that their religon is one of tolerance, and it is easy to provide evidence/proof of that. But then to got religious people on all ends killing, destroying, etc for their religon/beliefs. Is taking over a forgien counrty tolerance? Is killing that 7 year old kid by hijacking a plane tolerance?
nibs:
--- Quote from: Dat Nigga Ted aka The 10th Nazgûl on April 20, 2006, 12:53:08 AM ---Of course it does, so does almost any other religon. The problem is that it is never fully practiced. People say that their religon is one of tolerance, and it is easy to provide evidence/proof of that. But then to got religious people on all ends killing, destroying, etc for their religon/beliefs. Is taking over a forgien counrty tolerance? Is killing that 7 year old kid by hijacking a plane tolerance?
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you, shallow and rod are saying the same thing, this very point has been touched on throughout this thread; and i am not disagreeing. the only disagreement is that some people use the faults and hypocrisy of those that associate themselves with a religion as a condemnation of that religion. i myself had the wrong idea about christianity because i only saw the hypocrisy and deception, and not the truth.
also, the logical conclusion here is that if people sincerely appreciated religion the world would be a better place.
the only thing i am challenging is this notion that is fair to dismiss religion as some have corrupted it. religion is what you make it; and not necessarily what others tell you it needs to be.
dexter:
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