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Quote from: Mr. Humonculous on April 17, 2006, 10:22:15 AMListeners of rap are more likely to encounter problems with alcohol, drugs and violence than listeners of other genresBull shit!!!!!Tell me how many rock n roll artists died of suicide (becuz of liquir and drugs), overdose, depression. Compare them numbers to Rap artists! Thats BULL SHIT.They don't tell to go out and do drugs!
Listeners of rap are more likely to encounter problems with alcohol, drugs and violence than listeners of other genres
I don't know about anybody else but I know I get pissed off when studies and people and shit bash the hip hop community. I don't see no other genre get critizied more than Hip Hop and I don't like it.
Quote from: QuietTruth on April 17, 2006, 02:33:07 PMI don't know about anybody else but I know I get pissed off when studies and people and shit bash the hip hop community. I don't see no other genre get critizied more than Hip Hop and I don't like it.Well, whether or not we want to admit it, hip-hop right now is not making itself look very good in the eyes of outsiders. Back in the days when gangsta rap was new and the conservatives were throwing fits about N.W.A. and Ice-T's lyrics, it was pretty easy to just laugh them off as a bunch of bible-thumping do-gooders who were looking for a scapegoat for society's problems. Unfortunately, in the post 2Pac/Biggie era, even a lot of people within the hip-hop community are starting to realize that the line has been crossed between fictional violence and actual violence FAR too many times, and that many problems plaguing the black communities are in fact being made worse by gangsta rappers.So, yeah, hip-hop gets criticized more than other genres because it's becoming impossible these days to tell the difference between rappers and thugs and vice-versa.
Hip Hop is a culture and like everythig else its gonna get judged but who gives a fuck about what 'outsiders' think. Hip Hop wasn't created to please anyone. Right?
Quote from: QuietTruth on April 17, 2006, 03:22:57 PMHip Hop is a culture and like everythig else its gonna get judged but who gives a fuck about what 'outsiders' think. Hip Hop wasn't created to please anyone. Right?No, but it was also created to be constructive, not destructive, as it is right now.And who gives a fuck what outsiders think? Well, you apparently do since you're overreacting to this study. Maybe it's not important to care what they think, but we should certainly care if gangsta rap is doing more harm than good.
Gangsta rap is what it is. It's not constructive or destructive. Gangsta rap initially was started to tell how shit was going down in the west. It wasn't started to command people to go do drugs, go join a gang, go kill someone. They was just telling stories of that lifestyle.
I'm over reacting? I ain't over reacting. People do drugs so what its their decision. When people go out and make studies on how Hip Hop is more prone for the influnece is bull shit. What the fuck is that?
There's a difference between "commanding" and "glorifying". Gangsta rappers may not tell kids to go out and join gangs, but they certainly glorify it. Just look at the whole C-walking shit that Snoop, Xzibit, and WC popularized five years ago...suddenly all the kids in the suburbs were imitating the C-walk and throwing up gang signs. It even reached a point that Snoop had to tell kids to stop doing it on record (the re-twist of "The Streets") because it became so common. It's extremely fucking obvious that these rappers make it look cool to be a Loc, Damu, GD, whatever. And the fact that gang membership reached its peak in L.A. during the 90s' probably has a lot to do with that as well.Yeah, and you're trying to act like hip-hop isn't responsible at all whatsoever. It may be wrong to say hip-hop caused this shit, but it's not at all wrong to say hip-hop is making things worse, and if that's the case, we need to acknowledge it and try to make changes. Not that I expect that'll happen...
Quote from: QuietTruth on April 17, 2006, 03:45:12 PMGangsta rap is what it is. It's not constructive or destructive. Gangsta rap initially was started to tell how shit was going down in the west. It wasn't started to command people to go do drugs, go join a gang, go kill someone. They was just telling stories of that lifestyle.There's a difference between "commanding" and "glorifying". Gangsta rappers may not tell kids to go out and join gangs, but they certainly glorify it. Just look at the whole C-walking shit that Snoop, Xzibit, and WC popularized five years ago...suddenly all the kids in the suburbs were imitating the C-walk and throwing up gang signs. It even reached a point that Snoop had to tell kids to stop doing it on record (the re-twist of "The Streets") because it became so common. It's extremely fucking obvious that these rappers make it look cool to be a Loc, Damu, GD, whatever. And the fact that gang membership reached its peak in L.A. during the 90s' probably has a lot to do with that as well.Quote from: QuietTruth on April 17, 2006, 03:45:12 PMI'm over reacting? I ain't over reacting. People do drugs so what its their decision. When people go out and make studies on how Hip Hop is more prone for the influnece is bull shit. What the fuck is that? Yeah, and you're trying to act like hip-hop isn't responsible at all whatsoever. It may be wrong to say hip-hop caused this shit, but it's not at all wrong to say hip-hop is making things worse, and if that's the case, we need to acknowledge it and try to make changes. Not that I expect that'll happen...
Hip hop didn't cause these problems but over the last few years, you can see some destructive effects. When gangsta rap started, it was more of a "reporting on what's happening" type of deal. No one was naming or claiming neighborhoods specifically. Now you have Snoop yelling out rolling 20's every chance he gets, Game yelling out cedars every chance he gets. That's glorifying gangbanging, there's no way around that. Posing in pictures with bandanas is definitely glorifying it.Yeah we are all hip hop heads here and it's in our nature to get defensive about something that we love but open your eyes. You can't deny that the negativity that exists in some aspects is having an effect on society.
Well other music generes glorify what they do. Alot of people glorify what they do. Kobe glorifies basketball but that ain't gonna make every young star glorify it or want to do what he's doing. There is always gonna be followers. I ain't actin like hip-hop isn't responsible at all I know it has something to do with it cuz like I just said there are followers BUT I am a hip hop fan, a fan of gangsta rap, I listen to it but I don't get high or go out killing people. And I'm sure theres way more others like me. The only reason this study was made, at least I think, is too put blame on a culture that not alot of people are fond of becuz it tells a lifestyle!
And you can say YOU may not become a loc or get loc'd out because you were influenced by a rapper to do that, but you don't speak for everyone. There certainly are some cats who are taking the shit too seriously, and who are ruining their lives by getting into the gangsta lifestyle. There's no doubt about it - gangsta rap is doing more harm than good right now.
Quote from: QuietTruth on April 17, 2006, 11:08:59 AMThese rockers is going out and doing it.....Half of these rappers (say so themselves) don't go out and actually abuse what they are sayin in they recordsHow often do you see Snoop with a rolled blunt in his hand in real life?
These rockers is going out and doing it.....Half of these rappers (say so themselves) don't go out and actually abuse what they are sayin in they records