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Islam : Cult?
WestCoasta:
ya seriously, I was just about to say, do u guys fuckin listen to yourselves?
u all sound ridiculous arguing about some shit that neither has an idea if it's true or not :laugh:
Sikotic™:
I'm no athiest. I got beliefs, but who the hell cares what I believe. It's not fact...it's hardly even theory. It's all based on faith, and you can't fight faith with faith because there is no right or wrong answer.
Going back and forth with scriptures, you're wasting your time. All religious texts have errors and flaws in them. For one they were written by man. Secondly, they're thousands of years old.
King Tech Quadafi:
lol at this shit....
islam is not a personality cult, islam never worshipped a human being, islam never gave 2 shits about material possessions
islam commands you to question islam! do you dumb fucks not understand this? the quran says dont blindly follow the faith of ur parents. seek the truth on ur own initiative!
Shallow:
--- Quote from: nibs on May 02, 2006, 07:53:40 PM ---
ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
here you have the bible saying the exact same thing this guy is criticizing the qu'ran for saying. is he not also criticizing the bible then?
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Paul said that and just like Moses I believe he adds things to appease the times and maybe himself. That's the difference. One is written by a man out of his will while the other is written by God, and that's why I critisize.
As for your long responses. I think it was made clear at the beginning of this thread that this was not a critique of Islam. It was a response to Infinite to show him that you can make any religion look evil, like Infinite goes out of his way to make Christianity look bad. Yes some of the stuff posted may have been wrong, just like Infinite posts false facts about Christianity. You didn't have to take all that time to respond to the original post because it was just a jab at Brian.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on May 03, 2006, 07:02:02 AM ---Paul said that and just like Moses I believe he adds things to appease the times and maybe himself. That's the difference. One is written by a man out of his will while the other is written by God, and that's why I critisize.
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so you disagree with paul? that's interesting. because it's largely the ideas about christ that paul introduces that causes the split between islam and christianity on many issues, particularly the nature of christ. ofcourse, you also disagree with the more judaic aspects to christianity as well which is what constitutes the common ground with christianity and islam.
also, the qu'ran was delivered to muhammad by the angel gabriel, and represents instruction given to muhammad over a period of time.
sura 2:97
Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by God's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe
gabriel also interprets a vision for daniel in the old testament. gabriel does these sorts of things. so i think it's more accurate to say "the qu'ran is the instructions gabriel gave the prophet muhammad" rather than god's direct word.
--- Quote ---As for your long responses. I think it was made clear at the beginning of this thread that this was not a critique of Islam. It was a response to Infinite to show him that you can make any religion look evil, like Infinite goes out of his way to make Christianity look bad.
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i understood the original point of the post, i was challenging that in itself. i disagree with this notion that people should hide behind their "beliefs" and not defend them.
without question, things like whether or not moses or muhammad actually spoke with god, or whether or not jesus was not conceived but god's spirit directly entered into mary...no debate that there is no proof for ideas like that.
at the same time there is historical evidence and information about muhammad, early islam and how that spread, early christianity, the apostles and how that church grew. there are alot of facts that can be debated. and if people have a qu'ran or a bible, why shouldn't you be able to question whether or not they completely believe that doctrine, and whether or not they believe that religious institutions or movements are actually consistent with that doctrine?
aside from the pure belief stuff (that starts with the nature of god and how various prophets have obtained their inspiration...) there are alot of facts that can be debated and clarified.
i responded to the original post to demonstrate that if accusations are levied, people shouldn't try to hide from it, they should address it.
if infinite has the wrong idea about aspects of christianity, if i have the wrong idea as well...then correct those misperceptions if you will.
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