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Quote from: Jrome The Marauder on May 22, 2006, 08:10:55 PM Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd. CLEARLY, AFTER JAY-Z DISCOVERED AND PUT THEM ON.LoL, good one.Quote from: Jrome The Marauder on May 22, 2006, 08:10:55 PMYou still waiting for M.O.P. to drop on G-Unit? Yeah, I'm a M.O.P. fan, so what ?Quote from: Jrome The Marauder on May 22, 2006, 08:10:55 PMBack up your statements...Jay has a better ear for beats than Nas? Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd. Nas' singles shit on Jay's since 2001. Won't argue on that, as Jay had some horrible commercial singles, just for the sales & MTV audience, and Nas had some good singles, but singles doesn't make albums alone.Your hate for Jay-Z shines through in all your posts in this thread, maybe only surpassed by your somewhat unhealthy fascination for Nas, putting him on a godlike pedestal.
Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd.
You still waiting for M.O.P. to drop on G-Unit?
Back up your statements...Jay has a better ear for beats than Nas? Anybody can put Kanye and Just Blaze all over a cd. Nas' singles shit on Jay's since 2001.
My hate for Jay? I own all his cd's except for the Roc La Familia album. Just cuz I think Nas is better doesn't mean I'm a Jay hater. I'd give Reasonable doubt 5/5, Blueprint 4.5 / 5, Black Album 4/5. And when he drops his next album I'll cop that the day it drops. I'm always checking for his verses. I'll torture myself with a Jeezy track just to hear 16 from Jay. Having said all of that, it doesn't erase the fact that he released some bullshit singles the last few years - Change Clothes, Me and My Girlfriend. And I don't give him a pass to put out bullshit for singles just to get airplay. For some reason its tolerable to most so called hip hop fans, but I think its wack. I think Nas has been a better representative for hip hop with the types of singles he chooses to put out.
Quote from: Jrome The Marauder on May 23, 2006, 03:55:46 PMMy hate for Jay? I own all his cd's except for the Roc La Familia album. Just cuz I think Nas is better doesn't mean I'm a Jay hater. I'd give Reasonable doubt 5/5, Blueprint 4.5 / 5, Black Album 4/5. And when he drops his next album I'll cop that the day it drops. I'm always checking for his verses. I'll torture myself with a Jeezy track just to hear 16 from Jay. Having said all of that, it doesn't erase the fact that he released some bullshit singles the last few years - Change Clothes, Me and My Girlfriend. And I don't give him a pass to put out bullshit for singles just to get airplay. For some reason its tolerable to most so called hip hop fans, but I think its wack. I think Nas has been a better representative for hip hop with the types of singles he chooses to put out.It's all gravy, Nas fans never faze me, in fact I'm one myself. I agree with Jay's single choices, Change clothes, Me & my GF, H to the Izzo, Hovi Baby, all poor choices, but I always cared more about the albums than the single(s).I couldn't help to notice that you put Streets Disciple up against Blueprint 2 instead of Black Album, which came out at about the same time, and God Son up against Black Album instead of Blueprint 2, which came out at the same time. Tactic to make Nas albums look better, or a mistake ? Because you can say that God Son is better than BP2, but if you said that Streets Disciple is better than Black Album, I doubt you'd get many people to agree.Also, you can't deny Jay's ear for beats, he more or less started Kanye West & Just Blaze, he helped Rockwilder, Bink, Rick Rock & 9th Wonder to become household names, he gave Neptunes some of their biggest hits or vice versa (when they started), and he just gave Norwegian producers Stargate their international breakthrough.Can't say the same for Nas, his beat selections looks very random and accidental..
rick rock, bink, and 9th wonder still arent house hold names. Truth be told if you went up to a random rap fan they wouldnt even know who primo is. But jay did put on kayne and just blaze on and got them big. But for the most part most most producers never become household names unless they rap also or really did change the game.
Jay does have a good ear for beats, but I think Nas is still better, and has had more dope singles. The only reason I mention singles so much is because I think they are a real gauge of where an artist is at. Its getting more and more rare for artists (and I use that term loosely in hip hop nowadays) to take any real risks, especially when it comes to releasing singles. It's become formulaic, pandering, and exploiting. Most of them aren't exciting anymore. It used to be that the single was one of the best songs on the album, now its on some watered down, digestable, pander to the ignorant masses bullshit. And when that becomes acceptable it ultimately hurts hip hop's credibility.
While Jay def did help Kanye get his name out, he isn't responsible for his success. Kanye was ghost producing all the way back for Ma$e and Harlem World in '97. D-Dot put him on, and as everybody knows he had multiple offers on the table. Through The Wire was when Kanye launched into being a top tier artist. That song blew up because it was incredible, not cuz of his affiliation with Jay. Don't forget that the Roc had no immediate plans to release his album. So he paid for that video OUT OF POCKET. When it blew the fuck up, it forced the Roc's hand into releasing his album. So yeah, Jay was working with him prior to his superstardom, but he wasn't responsible for it.
And while you say Nas' beat selections look random and accidental, I'd say he's being creative and experimental (which is the essence of artistry in any genre of expression). And no doubt, when you are experimental, you will inevitably do some things that come out wack. But I'd take type of wackness over predicatable, watered down music wackness anyday.
Well, you make a good argument, but as long as Nas have some of those watered down digestable pander to the masses "could sell the album platinum if chosen as a single" tracks on the album (e.g. Braveheart Party, Hey Nas, that Braveheart or Kelis shit, etc.), then they're equal, imo.. though Jay got more of them than Nas. Maybe Nas would go multi-plat each time with the right singles, and Jay barely making platinum by releasing a raw hiphop cut as single..
I fail to see how Nas can have a better ear for beats than Jay, with Blueprint & Black Albums being near flawless produced, God Son being very random, and Street Disciple pretty damn horrible produced..
Kanye's rap career came out of the blue, but if it wasn't for Jay letting him do production on Blueprint and become a household name by skyrocketing his name, it's very likely that Kanye's rap career wouldn't even get started... Blueprint paved the way for Kanye to start his own shit, thanks to Jay taking the chance on him.
I remember that ROC posse cut (+ Twista) with Dame Dash shouting "Oh shit, it's the producer of the ROC, and he can even rap better than most rappers!" as one of the first places I heard Kanye rap.. it's not because of Mase & Harlem World he got on there and start to rap, that's for sure, Jay gave Kanye a foundation as good as 50 & Dre gave Game, though of course Kanye did his own thing to blow, he got a lot to thank Jay for.
Yah, save that shit for the leftover tapes.
^^ Too tired to reply to all of that, but I will say that that is some serious overrating of Streets Disciple, and Suicide Bounce was one of the better tracks, imo.Make a poll, "Which album had better production, Black Album or Streets Disciple?", I think we both know the winner, but hey.. each to his own.
^^ No copout, just too fucking tired to reply to that essay, and I have no reply to your overrating of Nas albums, I'll let that slide as opinions.A poll would validate the beats on BA being superior to SD, nothing less, even though it's probably 3 times more Nas fans on Dubcc than Jay fans, I assume that most would have the vision to see that Nas has been choosing some very random beats in the recent years, in a declining curve.