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Quote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 05:48:05 PMWhat is your definition of a hater? And i'll admit I have a bias against wack music. Is that what you're referring to? Hater = Anyone who has a certain negative bias against an artist. You may not absolutely hate 50, but you are inclined to be more critical of him than of rappers who do the same shit he does (but aren't as successful at it).Like the fact that 50's music may not be "Illmatic" or "Doggystyle" quality, but anyone with common sense (i.e. the music journalists who review his albums) knows that he still does thug-pop shit better than 90% of the rappers out there. Which is how he got to be on top in the first place.
What is your definition of a hater? And i'll admit I have a bias against wack music. Is that what you're referring to?
See thats the thing - I don't think he's that good at the thug-pop shit anymore. I think he had the right balance on GRODT, but I think he went overboard with The Massacre. I think he reduced himself to focusing solely on overly-simplistic, catchy ass hooks and melodies rather than dropping verses that i'd try an memorize like I do with the thousands of other songs that I own. At least on the GRODT singles he still maintained a semblance of lyricism & wit. 50 knew that when it was time for Massacre to drop, he could half ass it and it would still go 5x platinum, simply off the strength of his name. Well, in my opinion he half assed it too much and now its catching up to him. Getting 50 on a song no longer means it will be #1 like it did a year and a half ago. He def needs to go back and start putting a little substance back into his music because at this stage it's very disposable.
Quote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 10:39:04 AMNot saying you were addressing me, but I've been called a 50 "hater" numerous times by you. In my case, that's a bigtime misnomer - a hater would constitute someone who ignorantly hates something with no basis. So you can continue to throw that word around at me, but it has no basis. My opinion is based squarely on my own opinions about his post-GRODT music. I think it's wack, sans a couple tracks - that doesn't make me a hater. I def thought Candy Shop and Just A Lil Bit were extremely corny songs. After hearing that bullshit, I had ZERO intention of purchasing the Massacre. I thought OCR was really dope, but def not enough to make me drop $15 on the CD. So what's the problem with holding an artist accountable for the singles they release? Not liking songs doesn't constitute being a hater.That's your definition of a hater. Not that I'm saying you are a hater, but you do have a certain type of bias, and I think you know it as well as I do.Quote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 04:16:34 PMLMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable. Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU). Jrome, how old are YOU? You've never struck me as being all that old or wise yourself...certainly, the way you talk, you weren't a child of the Golden Age like I was.What do you mean, there was a time when hip-hop heads used to criticize artists for releasing songs "for the ladies"? When LL Cool J put out "I Need Love", cats were still respecting him cause he battled with Kool Moe Dee and Ice-T and showed he was a vicious battle rapper. And when Biggie put out "Big Poppa", wasn't anybody calling him a "sellout". Songs for the clubs, for the ladies, whatever...that shit has ALWAYS been a part of hip-hop. And why wouldn't they make songs like that? You think rappers only started doing it because Mr. Jewish Label Exec said so, and not cause they really just like fucking hotties (like everyone else who's hetero)? If you can market yourself to women, then why the fuck not? Get more money, get more pussy...sounds good to me.I've always thought the whole concern with "real" vs. "fake" emerged was when Vanilla Ice came out - and then it was mostly just the white suburban kids getting upset because they realized they had supported an artist who didn't have the "streets'" seal of approval. 99% of the time when a rapper gets criticized for being "fake" or "soft" or whatever, it's because the white kids are trying to fit in and they think that criticizing mainstream artists lets them do just that. 50 Cent is just the latest rapper to get hit by this trend - as soon as the newest, uber-gangsta rapper comes along who criticizes him (Game), the white kids are quick to jump on the latest gangsta nigga's dick because if he's perceived as street-credible, they think they've got street cred themselves.So please, don't talk about an era which you obviously never experienced yourself.
Not saying you were addressing me, but I've been called a 50 "hater" numerous times by you. In my case, that's a bigtime misnomer - a hater would constitute someone who ignorantly hates something with no basis. So you can continue to throw that word around at me, but it has no basis. My opinion is based squarely on my own opinions about his post-GRODT music. I think it's wack, sans a couple tracks - that doesn't make me a hater. I def thought Candy Shop and Just A Lil Bit were extremely corny songs. After hearing that bullshit, I had ZERO intention of purchasing the Massacre. I thought OCR was really dope, but def not enough to make me drop $15 on the CD. So what's the problem with holding an artist accountable for the singles they release? Not liking songs doesn't constitute being a hater.
LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable. Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU).
Damn, did you modify this post? I didn't see the all the other stuff outside of what I originally quoted and posted. Maybe I just overlooked it...
But just so you know i'm not ducking it, i'll reply. Yes, there have been songs about / for the ladies since way back in the day. My point was that MC's back then didn't sell their soul to do it. Take Big Daddy Kane - he could do the illest shit like "Set It Off" and could turn around and do shit like "The Day You're Mine", "Smooth Operator", or "Children R the Future". That was all part of his arsenal. But regardless of the subject matter, he was still one of the illest MC's ever. He didn't sacrifice his art when he made these songs - and that made them even better. If you don't see the difference between that and "Just A Lil Bit" by 50 then there's no point in furthering this conversation.LL, Slick Rick, Heavy D, Tribe, Pete Rock & CL, even fuckin Candyman. They all made songs for the ladies but still stayed true to the art.
Nice...Love the feel, Kinda like a space vibe, Hook up the Snoop version?
Quote from: Detox is not not coming... on June 26, 2006, 04:29:14 PMQuote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 04:16:34 PMQuote from: Detox is not not coming... on June 26, 2006, 10:54:43 AMJrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid. So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable. Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU). As far as Busta's album, I haven't purchased it. Doesn't mean i'm not interested in it, it just means that i haven't financially supported it. But I've only ever purchased 1 Busta album anyway. I still think he's an incredibly talented dude, but I haven't thoroughly bumped his shit since Leaders of the New School. Plus, it's more like "Busta Rhymes and Friends present THE BIG BANG". It has soooo many guests that it really dilutes it for me. Not saying that there aren't dope appearances - I'm a Q-Tip fan (actually i've never really liked anything he did as far as his solo career), Nas, ODB, Stevie Wonder, etc. But it's not really a trend that I'm gonna financially support. I don't mind occasional cameos or posse cuts, but a lot of rappers today fill up 2/3 of their albums with shitloads of random guests and as many different producers as there are songs. It's PLAYED OUT and doesn't incline me to purchase it.Quote from: prominent on June 26, 2006, 11:00:57 AMQuote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 10:39:04 AMI'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.It may be completely inaccurate, but my statement is based on Hav's own words. So be mad at him.Well, thats the state the music is in nowadays. Do I like it ? No. But it aint gonna change for a while. So as long as you wont accept it, youre gonna be bitter about everything like you are now.WOW. What kind of idiot happily supports ideals that he doesn't agree with? Actually, save the ounce of credibility you have left and don't reply.
Quote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 04:16:34 PMQuote from: Detox is not not coming... on June 26, 2006, 10:54:43 AMJrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid. So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable. Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU). As far as Busta's album, I haven't purchased it. Doesn't mean i'm not interested in it, it just means that i haven't financially supported it. But I've only ever purchased 1 Busta album anyway. I still think he's an incredibly talented dude, but I haven't thoroughly bumped his shit since Leaders of the New School. Plus, it's more like "Busta Rhymes and Friends present THE BIG BANG". It has soooo many guests that it really dilutes it for me. Not saying that there aren't dope appearances - I'm a Q-Tip fan (actually i've never really liked anything he did as far as his solo career), Nas, ODB, Stevie Wonder, etc. But it's not really a trend that I'm gonna financially support. I don't mind occasional cameos or posse cuts, but a lot of rappers today fill up 2/3 of their albums with shitloads of random guests and as many different producers as there are songs. It's PLAYED OUT and doesn't incline me to purchase it.Quote from: prominent on June 26, 2006, 11:00:57 AMQuote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 10:39:04 AMI'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.It may be completely inaccurate, but my statement is based on Hav's own words. So be mad at him.Well, thats the state the music is in nowadays. Do I like it ? No. But it aint gonna change for a while. So as long as you wont accept it, youre gonna be bitter about everything like you are now.
Quote from: Detox is not not coming... on June 26, 2006, 10:54:43 AMJrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid. So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?LMFAO! Singles absolutely influence me. They def aren't the sole factor, but they do play a part. How old are you anyway? I'm guessing your a youngin because you've been conditioned to think it's the norm to release over the top bullshit pop singles and not hold the artist accountable. Believe it or not, there was a time when hip hop artists refused to compromise and pander to the degree that they do nowadays. I know, with today's music state it's really hard to believe. It's really sad to see so called "hip hop" fans accept this. Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses (aka YOU). As far as Busta's album, I haven't purchased it. Doesn't mean i'm not interested in it, it just means that i haven't financially supported it. But I've only ever purchased 1 Busta album anyway. I still think he's an incredibly talented dude, but I haven't thoroughly bumped his shit since Leaders of the New School. Plus, it's more like "Busta Rhymes and Friends present THE BIG BANG". It has soooo many guests that it really dilutes it for me. Not saying that there aren't dope appearances - I'm a Q-Tip fan (actually i've never really liked anything he did as far as his solo career), Nas, ODB, Stevie Wonder, etc. But it's not really a trend that I'm gonna financially support. I don't mind occasional cameos or posse cuts, but a lot of rappers today fill up 2/3 of their albums with shitloads of random guests and as many different producers as there are songs. It's PLAYED OUT and doesn't incline me to purchase it.Quote from: prominent on June 26, 2006, 11:00:57 AMQuote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 10:39:04 AMI'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.It may be completely inaccurate, but my statement is based on Hav's own words. So be mad at him.
Jrome if you are judging the albums by their singles thats just plain stupid. So that means youre also not interested in the Big Bang because of the wack ass I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
Quote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on June 26, 2006, 10:39:04 AMI'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.That can't be true because I'm sure 50 said himself that the Outta Control Remiix was given to him before The Massacre was released, he wasn't feeling it but listened to it again at a later date and changed his mind.
I'm astonished that there are some people on here that were so apalled about my statement saying that 50 might have something to do with Dre's beats not ending up on Mobb Deep's album. Again, it's not like I pulled that outta my ass - Hav said in SCRATCH MAGAZINE they were given 2 beats by DRE, neither of which made it's way onto Blood Money: One ended up on the re-issue of Massacre, the other ended up on a G-Unit mixtape. Maybe 50 had nothing to do with that, maybe he did. I have no idea, but it is one of many reasonable deductions one can derive - which is what makes it a THEORY.
I Love My Bitch single, which is basically Candy Shop part 2 ?
Always saying shit like "well, he only released this song to get the ladies" or "yeah, this formula is really played out, but it will get him lots of spins on Clear Channel radio so it's all gravy". What the fuck are you, a cracker ass music exec or a true music fan? Plus, I'm always hearing you labeling different songs you hear: Club Banger, Street Anthem, Song for the Ladies...do you know where these phrases come from? They come from dipshit record execs who know dick about music and know everything about marketing schemes to exploit the ignorant masses
LOL @ the Black Panther dude, "50 Cent at his laziest is far from wack"are you fuckin kidding me, ever heard "Just a Lil Bit" ........guy probably wrote it in 5 minutes and laughed at the morons who were gonna eat it up
hahah, ya I agree with Jrome cause he's white what a dumbassok, so "The Massacre" had some okay tracks, but 50 at his laziest isn't tight, now don't say dumb shit anymore