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Quote from: Bow Down To The King Of Kings on July 10, 2006, 08:55:57 PMQuote from: Shallow on July 10, 2006, 04:40:43 PMBlaming downloading is bullshit in my opinion. Downloading only helps if the music is good, and if the music sucks people either delete or never listen to the albums anyway. ... but yet Overseer starts it off by saying Bustas album is great (so he obviously listens to it frequently) but he hasn't bought it.... why? ... because he downloaded it. So, blaming downloading is bullshit. riiiiight. Here's the deal: I DON'T BUY SHIT! Why should I? I can just download it. I haven't bought a rap album in years, and I WON'T buy a rap album for years. I'll buy "detox", the rest can fuck off. I'll download plenty, though. Now. I just told you that I personally don't buy because I download now. Can you STILL deny that it's a problem? I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM, don't tell me it's bullshit, it's what *I* do. If I'm doing it, imagine how many others are. Here, how many ways can I say this. Lets see.1. I don't buy albums anymore.2. I used to buy them all the time.3. The reason I don't buy them is because I download them.4. Artists make less money becuase I no longer buy from them.5. I don't give a fuck if it's illegal because you can't be caught.6. It's easy to do.7. I feel no remorse because most of the rappers are assholes anyways.8. I'd rather I have the money than them. 9. One time, I thought about buying a CD, then thought "Fuck that, i'll download it". I was really close that time, too.Now... 'downloading doesn't hurt cd sales". come on man. Man up. Take responsibility. Admit the truth, don't just argue something that there's no argument against. EXACTLY I don't see how anyone can NOT list downloading as the main reason album sales are suffering. I still buy a few CD's here and there, but nowhere near what I used to. And everybody I know at work and around the neighborhood.....shit, maybe about 3 of those muthafuckas outta 20+ have bought a CD in the last 5 years. They bought CD's before, but now they download EVERYTHING. And so do their friends. So come on, let's not be naive here
Quote from: Shallow on July 10, 2006, 04:40:43 PMBlaming downloading is bullshit in my opinion. Downloading only helps if the music is good, and if the music sucks people either delete or never listen to the albums anyway. ... but yet Overseer starts it off by saying Bustas album is great (so he obviously listens to it frequently) but he hasn't bought it.... why? ... because he downloaded it. So, blaming downloading is bullshit. riiiiight. Here's the deal: I DON'T BUY SHIT! Why should I? I can just download it. I haven't bought a rap album in years, and I WON'T buy a rap album for years. I'll buy "detox", the rest can fuck off. I'll download plenty, though. Now. I just told you that I personally don't buy because I download now. Can you STILL deny that it's a problem? I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM, don't tell me it's bullshit, it's what *I* do. If I'm doing it, imagine how many others are. Here, how many ways can I say this. Lets see.1. I don't buy albums anymore.2. I used to buy them all the time.3. The reason I don't buy them is because I download them.4. Artists make less money becuase I no longer buy from them.5. I don't give a fuck if it's illegal because you can't be caught.6. It's easy to do.7. I feel no remorse because most of the rappers are assholes anyways.8. I'd rather I have the money than them. 9. One time, I thought about buying a CD, then thought "Fuck that, i'll download it". I was really close that time, too.Now... 'downloading doesn't hurt cd sales". come on man. Man up. Take responsibility. Admit the truth, don't just argue something that there's no argument against.
Blaming downloading is bullshit in my opinion. Downloading only helps if the music is good, and if the music sucks people either delete or never listen to the albums anyway.
Quote from: _That_Cracka_J on July 11, 2006, 02:59:59 PMQuote from: Bow Down To The King Of Kings on July 10, 2006, 08:55:57 PMQuote from: Shallow on July 10, 2006, 04:40:43 PMBlaming downloading is bullshit in my opinion. Downloading only helps if the music is good, and if the music sucks people either delete or never listen to the albums anyway. ... but yet Overseer starts it off by saying Bustas album is great (so he obviously listens to it frequently) but he hasn't bought it.... why? ... because he downloaded it. So, blaming downloading is bullshit. riiiiight. Here's the deal: I DON'T BUY SHIT! Why should I? I can just download it. I haven't bought a rap album in years, and I WON'T buy a rap album for years. I'll buy "detox", the rest can fuck off. I'll download plenty, though. Now. I just told you that I personally don't buy because I download now. Can you STILL deny that it's a problem? I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM, don't tell me it's bullshit, it's what *I* do. If I'm doing it, imagine how many others are. Here, how many ways can I say this. Lets see.1. I don't buy albums anymore.2. I used to buy them all the time.3. The reason I don't buy them is because I download them.4. Artists make less money becuase I no longer buy from them.5. I don't give a fuck if it's illegal because you can't be caught.6. It's easy to do.7. I feel no remorse because most of the rappers are assholes anyways.8. I'd rather I have the money than them. 9. One time, I thought about buying a CD, then thought "Fuck that, i'll download it". I was really close that time, too.Now... 'downloading doesn't hurt cd sales". come on man. Man up. Take responsibility. Admit the truth, don't just argue something that there's no argument against. EXACTLY I don't see how anyone can NOT list downloading as the main reason album sales are suffering. I still buy a few CD's here and there, but nowhere near what I used to. And everybody I know at work and around the neighborhood.....shit, maybe about 3 of those muthafuckas outta 20+ have bought a CD in the last 5 years. They bought CD's before, but now they download EVERYTHING. And so do their friends. So come on, let's not be naive here So then explain how Britney can sell 14 million copies and Eminem can sell 9 million twice in a row, if everyone is downloading.
Quote from: Shallow on July 11, 2006, 04:26:33 PMQuote from: _That_Cracka_J on July 11, 2006, 02:59:59 PMQuote from: Bow Down To The King Of Kings on July 10, 2006, 08:55:57 PMQuote from: Shallow on July 10, 2006, 04:40:43 PMBlaming downloading is bullshit in my opinion. Downloading only helps if the music is good, and if the music sucks people either delete or never listen to the albums anyway. ... but yet Overseer starts it off by saying Bustas album is great (so he obviously listens to it frequently) but he hasn't bought it.... why? ... because he downloaded it. So, blaming downloading is bullshit. riiiiight. Here's the deal: I DON'T BUY SHIT! Why should I? I can just download it. I haven't bought a rap album in years, and I WON'T buy a rap album for years. I'll buy "detox", the rest can fuck off. I'll download plenty, though. Now. I just told you that I personally don't buy because I download now. Can you STILL deny that it's a problem? I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM, don't tell me it's bullshit, it's what *I* do. If I'm doing it, imagine how many others are. Here, how many ways can I say this. Lets see.1. I don't buy albums anymore.2. I used to buy them all the time.3. The reason I don't buy them is because I download them.4. Artists make less money becuase I no longer buy from them.5. I don't give a fuck if it's illegal because you can't be caught.6. It's easy to do.7. I feel no remorse because most of the rappers are assholes anyways.8. I'd rather I have the money than them. 9. One time, I thought about buying a CD, then thought "Fuck that, i'll download it". I was really close that time, too.Now... 'downloading doesn't hurt cd sales". come on man. Man up. Take responsibility. Admit the truth, don't just argue something that there's no argument against. EXACTLY I don't see how anyone can NOT list downloading as the main reason album sales are suffering. I still buy a few CD's here and there, but nowhere near what I used to. And everybody I know at work and around the neighborhood.....shit, maybe about 3 of those muthafuckas outta 20+ have bought a CD in the last 5 years. They bought CD's before, but now they download EVERYTHING. And so do their friends. So come on, let's not be naive here So then explain how Britney can sell 14 million copies and Eminem can sell 9 million twice in a row, if everyone is downloading. I completely understand how wrong I was now.....I'm embarrassed that I thought downloading affects album sales. Just because everyone I know downloads and doesn't buy the CD, doesn't mean the rest of the world does that. I'm 100% sure that everyone else who downloads an album later goes on to buy it.If it wasn't for downloading, I bet Brittany would have sold 5 mil and Em barely 1 mil. I'm sure all the artists support downloading, too. I just can't figure out why they speak against it so much since it helps them. But then again, I guess the artists aren't too bright because if people stopped downloading their albums for free, their sales would plummet and they would be broke.It's silly when you really think about it----I mean how can downloading decrease sales.....downloading could only INCREASE sales. How could it do anything else?
^^ I think the low record sales are fixed, in order to depict software pirates as the villains and bootlegging as an urgent problem, in order to give the Ri aa and other organisations an excuse to become more ruthless and ruthless.(this is only directed to Shallow, the ones who religiously follow the soccer threads know why Im saying it)
well yeah, bootleggers are hurting sales, thats a given. but i'd like to place a little blame on the industry itself and the artists too. if we were shown better product, we might be inclined to shell out 15-20 bucks. but right now, an hour and twenty minutes of club rhymes over a techno pop synth isnt gonna convince anyone besides dj's and radio companies that the album is worth copping. that i put on the artist, fuck you niggas for killing hip hop and still demanding our money. Then there's the business of selling music. when it used to be a major industry, corporations decided they could take less chances and still make money if they had A&R firms find artists who would bring in the most dollars, regardless of lyrical talent. this started the decline because if a rapper wanted to make money, he'd have to kiss the A&R firms ass just to get a shot a record deal, then whatever A list producer was in the house, the A&R guy in the house, and the guy from the label are all standing over dude in the studio like, lets make dough. sooner or later there is no art, just manufactured noise that will get drunk ppl who have no artistic sense at all dancing in a bar. anyways, i'm rambling cuz i have a lot of hate for major media, but yeah, case in point. if you want to sell big, which is what all poor black niggas want, you have to sacrifice artistic control which in turn alienates you from real fans, which in turn means declining sales. is there an end in sight to this? i dont know. i for one will continue to bootleg the shit out of every new album i want until they start either PUTTING OUT GOOD ALBUMS, or LOWERING THE PRICE TO BELOW 10 DOLLARS. simple as that.
^ bullshit. Name 1 artist who went 'independent' and then got BETTER or doper on the mic. Now, go ahead and name the 10 in your head that you can think of that turned to SHIT as soon as they got an independent deal because they didn't have to answer to anybody and could release whatever wack ass shit they wanted to.
Quote from: Overseer on July 10, 2006, 01:48:51 PMi'm waiting for a special edition of the busta.. great album.. but i always get stiffed buying shit i like when it comes out.. for a special edition to then come and be there for "johnny come lately" fans...IMO busta's is a great albumdownloading etc is a poor excuse.. quality isnt always there.. and this is the poorest time of year for retail... but yet you haven't bought busta's great album. NOT a poor excuse, a dead-on excuse. Downloading has probably halfed hiphop record sales. JUST MY OPINION, I could be wrong although it's never... EVER happened before.
i'm waiting for a special edition of the busta.. great album.. but i always get stiffed buying shit i like when it comes out.. for a special edition to then come and be there for "johnny come lately" fans...IMO busta's is a great albumdownloading etc is a poor excuse.. quality isnt always there.. and this is the poorest time of year for retail