2001 or Stillmatic

[LAZEEEEEE]

2001 no doubtttt.......

[The Watcher]

Stillmatic

again, it comes down to what you like hiphop for most. beats or lyrics.

[DPGC2001]

2001 has better production but the lyrics were just on some party shit which is what the album was all about...2001 is a great album to bump in the ride while if you wanna listen to insightful lyrics you listen to Nas...Actually its hard to compare these 2 cause they are different types of hip-hop...I enjoy listening to both of them equally...

[Don Jacob]

2001 and stillmatic are the same


2001's productin outshines stillmatic's by light years
stillmatic's lyrics outshines 2001's by megawatts



and about the whole Primo VS Dre thing or RZA vs Dre or Pete rock VS Dre


Dre EASILLY wins all of them


Dre is the essence of what production is and is about (wether you're feeling his beats or not)


Primo VS Dre

Primo isn't considered a producer in ANY form ....he is a DJ mixer, none of his beats came from his own mind , they are all bits and peices of other songs. The  word Producer in the music industry means to arrange notes into new and layered melodies....Primo second hands what someone else has already has produced, that's why his title is really a Dj mixer, even though he gets production credit as a producer, now i know that this makes me look like a dj premier hate...which i'm not , i love the dude, but when you take music appreciation classes and musical production classes for three year like i have you learn what is what. Dj premier is NOT a producer he's a dj mixer...he's never reall produced a song so it's IMPOSSIBLE to say he's in any way a better producer than dre....he's a better Dj mixer than him but ain't a better producer...becuase he doesn't produce. Plus no producer in Hip Hop has EVER been able to match the the quality of dre's beats from 91-95 NOOOOO ONE, even in music in general dre's catelouge within these 4 years is very hard to meet, only George Clinton, Phil Spector, Quincy Jones, John Cage (maybe), Brian wilson, and Barry White have been able to say they've had that great of production (ask any music critic)


RZA vs Dre

in all reality , beat for beat , RZA isn't touching Dre, i'm sorry if you or any one in the hip hop world feel different but ALMOST every thing rza does is sooooooooo easy to produce and reproduce, every single melody  that he has made is very simplistic. The glory in his skills lays in his mixing and layering skills. The actual beats he makes are  simplistic if you can tell or not .....and if you don't beleive me (if they still sell them ) go find a tab sheet of wu tang's cd's and learn how to read music...you'll be really suprised how easil you can duplicate them. If you feel RZA more than Dre....that's your opinion and i respect it,but to say RZA is better than Dre is Ludocris beacues Most of Dre's beats and melodies are VERY fucking hard to reproduce. i emphasize most becuase some of his beats like family affair and the real slim shady are easy...but as a whole Dre is better



Now hellrazor i respect your opinion ....you don't like dre, you don't have to. BUUUUUUT just becuase you don't feel something as muc doesn't mean that it's not the best. I'm not dissing you becuase ignorant only means "you don't know"....and everyone is ignorant to something (i'm ignorant to the game of soccer) but you're ignorant to the true essence of production...yes rza and dj premier provide their artists with appealing music, but the overall work behind the beats  are simple. Not to mke them look bad becuase they are good music makers overall but not as great as people in the hip hop world make them out to be.


i'm just telling it how it is ....not becuase i like dre bt that's how it is

[ImmortalOne]

2001 and stillmatic are the same


2001's productin outshines stillmatic's by light years
stillmatic's lyrics outshines 2001's by megawatts



and about the whole Primo VS Dre thing or RZA vs Dre or Pete rock VS Dre


Dre EASILLY wins all of them


Dre is the essence of what production is and is about (wether you're feeling his beats or not)


Primo VS Dre

Primo isn't considered a producer in ANY form ....he is a DJ mixer, none of his beats came from his own mind , they are all bits and peices of other songs. The  word Producer in the music industry means to arrange notes into new and layered melodies....Primo second hands what someone else has already has produced, that's why his title is really a Dj mixer, even though he gets production credit as a producer, now i know that this makes me look like a dj premier hate...which i'm not , i love the dude, but when you take music appreciation classes and musical production classes for three year like i have you learn what is what. Dj premier is NOT a producer he's a dj mixer...he's never reall produced a song so it's IMPOSSIBLE to say he's in any way a better producer than dre....he's a better Dj mixer than him but ain't a better producer...becuase he doesn't produce. Plus no producer in Hip Hop has EVER been able to match the the quality of dre's beats from 91-95 NOOOOO ONE, even in music in general dre's catelouge within these 4 years is very hard to meet, only George Clinton, Phil Spector, Quincy Jones, John Cage (maybe), Brian wilson, and Barry White have been able to say they've had that great of production (ask any music critic)


RZA vs Dre

in all reality , beat for beat , RZA isn't touching Dre, i'm sorry if you or any one in the hip hop world feel different but ALMOST every thing rza does is sooooooooo easy to produce and reproduce, every single melody  that he has made is very simplistic. The glory in his skills lays in his mixing and layering skills. The actual beats he makes are  simplistic if you can tell or not .....and if you don't beleive me (if they still sell them ) go find a tab sheet of wu tang's cd's and learn how to read music...you'll be really suprised how easil you can duplicate them. If you feel RZA more than Dre....that's your opinion and i respect it,but to say RZA is better than Dre is Ludocris beacues Most of Dre's beats and melodies are VERY fucking hard to reproduce. i emphasize most becuase some of his beats like family affair and the real slim shady are easy...but as a whole Dre is better



Now hellrazor i respect your opinion ....you don't like dre, you don't have to. BUUUUUUT just becuase you don't feel something as muc doesn't mean that it's not the best. I'm not dissing you becuase ignorant only means "you don't know"....and everyone is ignorant to something (i'm ignorant to the game of soccer) but you're ignorant to the true essence of production...yes rza and dj premier provide their artists with appealing music, but the overall work behind the beats  are simple. Not to mke them look bad becuase they are good music makers overall but not as great as people in the hip hop world make them out to be.


i'm just telling it how it is ....not becuase i like dre bt that's how it is

Im not a Dre hater by any means......The Chronic and Doggystyle are two of my fav albums ever, and I consider Doggytyle to be one of the top 5 best produced albums ever made [the other four albums being Aquemini, Cuban Linx, E.1999 Eternal, and Moment Of Truth]. Its just that beat for beat, im REALLY feelin Primo's shit. 2001 has great production too, but I wasnt really feelin his production for Eminem's albums, but that could be in part to me not really being fond of Eminem [thats a whole nother subject though].

But, um, yea.........thanx for spreadin' the knowledge...

[Cliche]

Stillmatic.

to me 2001 (much like The Chronic) slowed down after the half-way point... there was still some second half bangers but nowhere near the consistency of the first half... and i like every stillmatic joint with the exception of one.... and well.. lyrics? obviously stillmatic.. and personally i dont see why people dislike the stillmatic beats... they're good, they suit the songs and Nas well.

BigJake: you're off point saying that Primo isn't a producer when Dre has built so many of his hits around samples, whether they are replayed or not.

[Murrow]

2001 and stillmatic are the same


2001's productin outshines stillmatic's by light years
stillmatic's lyrics outshines 2001's by megawatts

Word the fuck up

[LyRiCaL_G]

i think both albums are tight, but ya cant compare the albums cuz they both hip hop, but dre with 2001 tried bringin the west coast niggaz back on the amp, which he did with the usual shit about hoes etc........but it came out tight and more innovative than all others on the same topic.....classiz.....while nas and east coast cat, tryin to bring himself back on the map, used not east coast hip hop style, but hip hop overall, which is talkin about real life and shit about the streets and picked good sujbjects to rap on......again came out better tham most others...classic

but to me, ya cant compare these albums...

[jerraveli]

bigjake: well said dude. i tried to say the same thing, but i couldn't quite put it into words. peace

[NEW_MINORITY]

2001 and stillmatic are the same


2001's productin outshines stillmatic's by light years
stillmatic's lyrics outshines 2001's by megawatts



and about the whole Primo VS Dre thing or RZA vs Dre or Pete rock VS Dre


Dre EASILLY wins all of them


Dre is the essence of what production is and is about (wether you're feeling his beats or not)


Primo VS Dre

Primo isn't considered a producer in ANY form ....he is a DJ mixer, none of his beats came from his own mind , they are all bits and peices of other songs. The  word Producer in the music industry means to arrange notes into new and layered melodies....Primo second hands what someone else has already has produced, that's why his title is really a Dj mixer, even though he gets production credit as a producer, now i know that this makes me look like a dj premier hate...which i'm not , i love the dude, but when you take music appreciation classes and musical production classes for three year like i have you learn what is what. Dj premier is NOT a producer he's a dj mixer...he's never reall produced a song so it's IMPOSSIBLE to say he's in any way a better producer than dre....he's a better Dj mixer than him but ain't a better producer...becuase he doesn't produce. Plus no producer in Hip Hop has EVER been able to match the the quality of dre's beats from 91-95 NOOOOO ONE, even in music in general dre's catelouge within these 4 years is very hard to meet, only George Clinton, Phil Spector, Quincy Jones, John Cage (maybe), Brian wilson, and Barry White have been able to say they've had that great of production (ask any music critic)


RZA vs Dre

in all reality , beat for beat , RZA isn't touching Dre, i'm sorry if you or any one in the hip hop world feel different but ALMOST every thing rza does is sooooooooo easy to produce and reproduce, every single melody  that he has made is very simplistic. The glory in his skills lays in his mixing and layering skills. The actual beats he makes are  simplistic if you can tell or not .....and if you don't beleive me (if they still sell them ) go find a tab sheet of wu tang's cd's and learn how to read music...you'll be really suprised how easil you can duplicate them. If you feel RZA more than Dre....that's your opinion and i respect it,but to say RZA is better than Dre is Ludocris beacues Most of Dre's beats and melodies are VERY fucking hard to reproduce. i emphasize most becuase some of his beats like family affair and the real slim shady are easy...but as a whole Dre is better



Now hellrazor i respect your opinion ....you don't like dre, you don't have to. BUUUUUUT just becuase you don't feel something as muc doesn't mean that it's not the best. I'm not dissing you becuase ignorant only means "you don't know"....and everyone is ignorant to something (i'm ignorant to the game of soccer) but you're ignorant to the true essence of production...yes rza and dj premier provide their artists with appealing music, but the overall work behind the beats  are simple. Not to mke them look bad becuase they are good music makers overall but not as great as people in the hip hop world make them out to be.


i'm just telling it how it is ....not becuase i like dre bt that's how it is

well said

[Don Jacob]

BigJake: you're off point saying that Primo isn't a producer when Dre has built so many of his hits around samples, whether they are replayed or not.

actually i'm not , i didn't say your not a producer if you use samples


i'm just saying 95% of what primer uses is a sample, the bass line, guitar riff, drums, it's all a STRAIGHT lift from another song that he found in a crate. i'm not saying that's bad , but that ain't producing, that's DJ'in'

there's more than one way to sample, the way dj premier does it, the DJ way,  and the production way, where you use an element but add ALL NEW elements to it, which dre does on just about every thing he samples , not all but most



i'm not saying one is better than the other but it's 2 TOTALLY different things, Producing and DJ'ing...he's not DJ premier for nothing

[myrealname]

these 2 albums are too differents.
both are TIGHT AS FUCK!
Is like to compare a ferrari with a lamborghini

[Murrow]

Yea, Dre is a real producer, like Quincy Jones, Jimmy Iovine and Lindsey Buckingham.  A producer isn't just makin a beat in 10 minutes and giving it to the artists and then bailing.  You gotta direct, and be a composer - and mold the song.  Dre does that, he guides his musicians and rappers till he feels it's right.  

Most so called, "producers" don't do that like The Neptunes, and a lot of other producers we like.  That is why people like Battlecat and Fredwreck NEVER get hits on the charts cause they make the tight beat, and forget to guide the artist to finish the song so that is good.  We always hear these awesome beats but the raps blow...that's a big problem.

[yung-g]

2001 is way better than Stillimatic. Although Stillimatic aint weak.