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milton friedman is dead
« on: November 16, 2006, 02:44:41 PM »
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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 03:30:00 PM »
great author...what happened
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 04:40:16 PM »
I just read this, he was one of the most important influences on my political thought and philosophy. Thankfully he lived a very long life.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 06:38:41 PM »
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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 07:43:57 PM »
Dude was crazy smart... here's a good write-up on him:

The Economist of the Century
By N. Gregory Mankiw

Anyone who thinks that ideas matter (and who doesn't?) naturally takes an interest in people who generate more than their share. Milton Friedman is one of them. As he approaches his 86th birthday, Friedman remains one of the world's most influential living economists.

Fans of this great intellect are in for a treat: Friedman and his wife, Rose, have just published their memoirs, Two Lucky People (University of Chicago Press, $35). The Friedmans take turns telling their story as they trace their lives from humble childhoods in Rahway, N.J. (Milton), and Portland, Ore. (Rose), through a lifetime of teaching, research, and policy controversies.

The Friedmans are best known for their articulate and unwavering defense of the free market. Their policy objective is, simply, "the promotion of human freedom." This goal, they tell us, "underlies our opposition to rent control and general wage and price controls, our support for educational choice, privatizing radio and television channels, an all-volunteer army, limitation of government spending, legalization of drugs, privatizing Social Security, free trade, and the deregulation of industry and private life to the fullest extent possible." Milton and Rose were libertarians--aggressively vocal libertarians--before libertarians were cool.

Their campaign for a freer society led them into the confidence of some of the great political figures of our times, including Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher. The authors don't shy from judging these leaders: we are told, for instance, that Reagan's choice of George Bush as his Vice President was "the worst decision not only of his campaign but of his presidency."

The Friedmans' political involvement came with its share of controversy. Most notably, in 1975 Milton spent six days giving lectures on public policy in Chile and had one brief meeting with right-wing dictator Augusto Pinochet. The result was a firestorm of protest. When Friedman won a Nobel Prize the next year, public objections came from all directions, including previous prize-winners David Baltimore and Linus Pauling.

Friedman was--and is--unrepentant. Of course, he did not endorse the dictatorship. But, he wrote, "I do not regard it evil for an economist to render technical economic advice to the Chilean government to help end the plague of inflation, any more than I would regard it as evil for a physician to give technical medical advice to the Chilean government to end a medical plague." He also notes that years later, when he offered similar economic advice to China, there were no similar protests, even though the left-wing Chinese dictators were no less oppressive than Pinochet.

Friedman's politics may have generated public controversy, but his scientific contributions yielded a consensus of admiration among his professional colleagues. When students today are taught about the determinants of consumer spending, the history of monetary policy, or the relationship between inflation and unemployment, they owe much to the intellectual legacy of Milton Friedman. Legend has it that economist George Stigler once called Friedman "the best economist in a bad century." Stigler may well have been right that Friedman doesn't quite measure up to the 18th century's Adam Smith or the 19th century's David Ricardo--economists, like many of the things that they study, are subject to the law of diminishing returns. But Friedman runs a good race against such 20th-century luminaries as Paul Samuelson and John Maynard Keynes, and that is no mean feat.

The book does drag at times, especially when it lingers over the minutiae of the Friedmans' home life. (How much detail do we really need to know about Friedman family vacations, for example?) But overall, it's charming. It's almost like a letter from a couple of old friends--a couple of old friends who had a long, compelling intellectual journey, came to know some of the great world leaders of this century, and had 60 years of happy, supportive marriage. After reading Two Lucky People, you really can't help but agree with the title.
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2006, 10:12:24 AM »
rip
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 03:11:40 PM »
ant arent u a liberal though..u believe in libertarian views like freeman states?
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 03:16:38 PM »
ant arent u a liberal though..u believe in libertarian views like freeman states?

Libertarian = classic liberal.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

Paris
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 03:55:19 PM »
ant arent u a liberal though..u believe in libertarian views like freeman states?

Libertarian = classic liberal.
libertarian=weed smoking/supporting republican
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2006, 04:09:50 PM »
ant arent u a liberal though..u believe in libertarian views like freeman states?

Libertarian = classic liberal.
libertarian=weed smoking/supporting republican

I'm a libertarian but I don't smoke weed.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

Paris
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2006, 04:10:38 PM »
ant arent u a liberal though..u believe in libertarian views like freeman states?

Libertarian = classic liberal.
libertarian=weed smoking/supporting republican

I'm a libertarian but I don't smoke weed.
you support it right?
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2006, 04:15:43 PM »
ant arent u a liberal though..u believe in libertarian views like freeman states?

Libertarian = classic liberal.
libertarian=weed smoking/supporting republican

I'm a libertarian but I don't smoke weed.
you support it right?

Legalization? Yes, absolutely.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

Paris
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2006, 04:16:41 PM »
ant arent u a liberal though..u believe in libertarian views like freeman states?

Libertarian = classic liberal.
libertarian=weed smoking/supporting republican

I'm a libertarian but I don't smoke weed.
you support it right?

Legalization? Yes, absolutely.
well there you go
 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2006, 04:46:59 PM »
I would say many libertarians vote republican, but they can go either way.  In the current atmosphere a Libertarian is fucked.

The party of GWB is horrible for the ideology since it invades our privacy, expand government, and move us in the direction of a police state.  The GOP stance on social issues is directly opposed to the views of libertarians.  Plus the GOP is horribly corrupt and cynical.

But on the other hand, the Dems are annoying too.  They're being taken over by the far-left, which strongly believes that government can cure all ills.  So the current Dems are against free-trade, pro-union, pro-minimum wage, pro-industry regulation, and they love to create government programs that try to solve our problems. 

Of course on social issues the Dems are much better.  They don't care to invade our privacy as much, they don't care to take away personal freedoms as much, and they don't seem to be as anxious to turn us into a police state.

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But really libertarians are fucked. 

I strongly support the ideology of Milton Friedman.  That being, anything that increases freedom is good, anything that reduces freedom is bad.

Minimum wages reduces freedom.
Protectionism reduces freedom.
Government control of industry reduces freedom.
Higher taxes reduce freedom.
Bigger government reduces freedom.
Stricter law enforcement reduces freedom.

Probably the most obnoxious of these is the Dems desire to oppose free-trade.  I hate the idea of protectionism with passion.  It's hypocritical and immoral for Dems to oppose free-trade agreements. 







 

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Re: milton friedman is dead
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2006, 07:59:27 AM »
^^ Great post, this man speaks the truth.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

Paris