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nibs:
(Merovingian) - In looking at religion, you'll find around the globe is a core mythos based on atmospheric elements and planetary bodies or other natural forces with a variety of forms they take on. In places where the skin of the inhabitants is red, the god may have red skin, and where the skin is white, the god may have white skin, and so on. It is completely arbitrary and not based on actual fact.

actually, the original beliefs were that there was a spiritual aspect to everything, that the world was alive on a spiritual level, and that everything in nature, including man, followed the same divine plan of a creator.  thus, studying nature revealed this plan, it was important to stay in tune with the cycles of nature (thus in tune with the plan), and the future can be learned by studying nature.

also, the original beliefs were that in previous, more enlightened, ages; lesser gods would incarnate as men on earth.  lesser gods in these religions are equitable to the angels in the bible or qu'ran.  that these divine spirits could incarnate on earth and lead and teach.
thus, lesser gods would have the human forms of their host populations.  skin color at times would symbolically represent attributes in pictoral representations...etc.

TraceOneInfinite:
The finite mind of man can have direct communication with Infinite Intelligence.  When the conscious mind is working at an exceedingly rapid rate, as for example, when the conscious mind is stimulated through great focus, struggle, desire, mediation, enlightenment, etc, the finite mind can have communication with the Infinite Intelligence of Allah.

The Infinite Intelligence of Allah knows everything that is before us and behind us.  We all have had visions in our own mind of doing something in the future, like we picture ourselves going to the store in the future, and what we might buy, and those things all happen like we had imagined them.  This is a glimpse into the future at a smaller level.

The point being that the Prophets were in communication with Allah's Infinite Intelligence and through this they recieved "inspiration" and "revelation".

The Prophet Muhammad was of a highly enlightened conscience, and stimulated by a higher sense of struggle and purpose, and thus he was chosen to recieve "inspiration" and "revelation" from Allah.  This is what the Qu'ran consists of.

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 10, 2006, 07:21:40 PM ---
I believe you are slightly wrong and I am not posing as an expert on these matters but I have heard numerous islamic scholars say that you should not always strictly adhere to the quaran. That Allah intended for the individual to make their own interpretation of certain issues and that sometimes the individual was compelled to make their own choices and that the book itself only gave guidance.

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That is correct.  A Muslim does not neccasarily believe that "everything" is in the Qu'ran, although the Qu'ran does definitely set the giudelines.  Many thoughts, idea's, actions can not be transmuted through mere words.  Therefore, the Qu'ran is not the ONLY source of knowledge, although it is the highest source of knowledge and offers an analysis on all things.  It gives us our parameters for a believe system in which the creation is in submission to the Creator.  And like Nibs said the Sufi sect of Islam would not put interpretation over their own spiritual enlightenment.

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: nibs on December 11, 2006, 07:14:55 AM ---
the main point of contention i have found is in stories and symbolism that the bible plagiarized from kemetic and sumerian sources, that the qu'ran does not correct, but merely repeats as fact.  citing people and events as real, when they are corruptions of concepts that were symbolic, and plagiarized in the old testament.


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This should not be a point of contention because the Qu'ran itself mentions that the stories are not all literal in meaning, but stories of old passed down.  Therefore, belief in Islam is not contigent and does not hinge on believing in any of the stories that may have origionally been offered by kemetic and sumerian sources.  This verse offers a clear explanation of the Islamic position on this issue...

Qu'ran verse 3:7

"(Allah) sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except Allah and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed."

nibs:
the main point of contention i have found is in stories and symbolism that the bible plagiarized from kemetic and sumerian sources, that the qu'ran does not correct, but merely repeats as fact. 

(Hajj Abdul-Infinite) - This should not be a point of contention because the Qu'ran itself mentions that the stories are not all literal in meaning, but stories of old passed down.

it's a point of contention of the qu'ran destroys the original symbolism; which it does in many circumstances.

i don't see a need to argue this. 

in terms of islam, i feel they have correctly preserved the wudu/ablution rituals and also solar alignment while praying.  those aspects i continue to incorporate into my spiritual practices.

in terms of the spiritual philosophy/understanding/practices; and the theology; my studies have led me elsewhere.

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