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How Religions are Made
Samoan Enforcer:
dont bother getting in to it with infite (aka bryan). he's so put off and ashamed of his midwestern upbringing he'll stop at nothing to prove his allegiance to an institution not accepted by his fellow corn fed brother in kansas. the only thing youll get from him is copy/pasted blog rants from nutcase radical muslims :(
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Hajj Abdul-Infinite...BANNED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH! on December 10, 2006, 06:59:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 10, 2006, 04:22:05 PM ---When referring to your God source as "HIM", you are giving it form hence, it is human. So, whenever God is being portrayed as having form, it is not the Truth. You've totally missed the point.
As far as GOD....it's just a title for the source of all things created. And yes, I do acknowledge this source. After all, I am this source. That sounds very blasphemous and anti-everything to the typical Christian or Muslim mind. Thing is, I don't submit to the Christian's or Muslim's version of this source that they call GOD and Allah. Nor do I accept all of the Bible and Quran. I'm spiritually based and don't accept anything concerning my soul/spirit without question particually, when it has been forged and interpolated over the millinnea to serve the interests of power-hungry men. I may as well put my life in the hands of man by doing so.
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Allah is not a person, place, thing, man, he, her, him, it. In the English language you don't use a noun over and over saying "God" this, "God" that but you place a he in it's place so it doesn't sound redundant.
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Allah is a book, so Merovingian's theory applies. Anything pertaining to Allah that is not in the Quran is considered wrong or untruthful in Islam. You cannot believe or have faith in anything that contradicts that book. Correct me if I'm wrong. Whether that book is true or not is not the question. The point is you define Allah or God by a noun, and that noun is the Quran, which is a book.
Merovingian, I am a Christian and it would appear that I have to take the Bible as absolute truth because according to how it is taught it was a council guided by the Holy Spirit that wrote that book as it is today. But I am not that blind in my faith. First I look at everything it says Jesus said and see what is in the other books that contradict what he said. So then I throw that out as man made bullshit for the time it was written. Then I look at what Jesus preached and see what I disagree with. Fortunately for my faith I have never read anything I disagree with morally, and everything not pertaining to morality, like eternal life, elgibility, etc is said so philosophically I can twist it to mean anything. Too many Christians take what Jesus said too literally, when you simplt cannot make it literal because it can mean so many things. Eternal life could be memory, or legacy. Heaven could be peace of mind. You can't 100% argue otherwise, like you can with "do not kill".
virtuoso:
I believe you are slightly wrong and I am not posing as an expert on these matters but I have heard numerous islamic scholars say that you should not always strictly adhere to the quaran. That Allah intended for the individual to make their own interpretation of certain issues and that sometimes the individual was compelled to make their own choices and that the book itself only gave guidance.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 10, 2006, 07:21:40 PM ---
I believe you are slightly wrong and I am not posing as an expert on these matters but I have heard numerous islamic scholars say that you should not always strictly adhere to the quaran. That Allah intended for the individual to make their own interpretation of certain issues and that sometimes the individual was compelled to make their own choices and that the book itself only gave guidance.
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I'm not doubting you. It's just in my experience with Muslims they treat the Quran the bottom line. Maybe they're wong. Infinite, Nibs, Tech, whoever, do you go by the idea that the Quran can be dismissed in areas where it go against your personal morality?
nibs:
(Shallow) - nibs, do you go by the idea that the Quran can be dismissed in areas where it go against your personal morality?
my contiued research into the origins of knowledge/religion have indicated to me that the qu'ran was not divinely inspired, but based on other works of men; specifically the bible.
the main point of contention i have found is in stories and symbolism that the bible plagiarized from kemetic and sumerian sources, that the qu'ran does not correct, but merely repeats as fact. citing people and events as real, when they are corruptions of concepts that were symbolic, and plagiarized in the old testament.
however, i don't see any harm in people choosing to believe in the bible or qu'ran if it benefits them and their lives.
also, these texts should be interpretted as a guide on how to think; thus a person should learn to think righteously and act righteously; and not superstitiously try to interpret a text.
the entire sufism sect in islam is based on this principle, and they would not put an interpretation of the qu'ran over their own personal enlightenment.
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