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Chief:

--- Quote from: Trauma-san on December 18, 2006, 09:06:40 PM ---and before we ever lived on this earth we accepted the plan and are all already believers, and in fact came to earth as spirits born into bodies to learn of a physical existance, and to have the opportunity to blindly wonder and let our hearts and conscience guide us to right ways.  In heaven under god we were never free since we had no choice but to follow the light since it was so blindingly clear.  On earth we're ignorant of the bigger scheme of things so we have to make the best of it with only our hearts to guide us.  Those who choose to follow their hearts will return to heaven with a body in tow, those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished.  Christ's salvation was more of a gift to us than something that must be accepted, since by definition the only souls who made the trip to earth were those who already knew of the plan and agreed to play along with it. 


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that is quite interesting...

sonofisis:

--- Quote from: Chief on December 19, 2006, 10:08:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 19, 2006, 02:09:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on December 18, 2006, 08:53:36 PM ---what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?

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Just in time for   "Post of the Year"


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lol..

i thought it was a legit question though? we have 6.5 billion peeps cruisin around now, and it's estimated the total amount of people ever lived is between 45-125 billion... and it's also estimated in 8000BC there were 5000 people and in 1AD there were 300,000 people... so most the people that ever lived, is in the last 2000 years. i'm too tired to do the math, but it's not that outrageous that there were less than 1billion peeps before christ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

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I found out a while ago not to trust wikipedia when it comes to stats.. Given what I know about ancient Egypt, Sumer, Greece, Rome, Babylon, Nubia, Axum, Olmecs, Indus Valley Dravidians, Persia, ancient China, it is extremely hard to believe that all of these civilizations combined comprised no more than 50,000 people in 1AD..  Just given the descriptions of battle in where Rome was said to enter battles with as many as 10,000 soldiers(this doesn't include women, young children, and farmers of the population), would you really be inclined to believe that there were only 50,000 people world wide? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on wikipedia and that can be proven wrong with out a shadow of a doubt, no contest. I'd estimate more like a few million world wide at that particular point in time. That is a lot more logical..


Anyways, back to the topic.

Chief:
^at 1AD the current population was at 300,000 people... doesnt seem right i agree with you there... but i dont think it would be more than a few million. but a billion is 1000 million... i dont know, i could be wrong, but it's not THAT outrageous to think there were less than a billion people before christ is it?

sonofisis:

--- Quote from: Chief on December 19, 2006, 11:12:53 AM ---^at 1AD the current population was at 300,000 people... doesnt seem right i agree with you there... but i dont think it would be more than a few million. but a billion is 1000 million... i dont know, i could be wrong, but it's not THAT outrageous to think there were less than a billion people before christ is it?

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That number is still ludicrous, for all of those civilizations I named(all of them were around at the time except maybe the indus valley), that's 10 empires. Basically that's 30,000 residents per country around that time, is wikipedia serious? 30,000 people in Egypt? 30,000 people in China? 30,000 in Rome? Ha! absurd. Alexandria, Egypt alone probably had more people than that.. As a matter of fact, read this quote from a time line about Rome and Julius Ceasar..

"58BC to 51BC: Julius Caesar enlarges his military reputation by fighting in Gaul. Estimates are that he destroys whole tribes, kills about 400,000 people and enslaves about 400,000."

400,000 slaves alone! Before 1AD, what does that tell you? Wikipedia is bullshit when it comes to stats.. So yea, it is very hard to believe that less than a billion people lived on this planet in the 2 million years leading up to Jesus Christ. How long do you think humans have been here anyways?

J @ M @ L:

--- Quote from: Chief on December 19, 2006, 10:08:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 19, 2006, 02:09:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on December 18, 2006, 08:53:36 PM ---what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?

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Just in time for   "Post of the Year"


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lol..

i thought it was a legit question though? we have 6.5 billion peeps cruisin around now, and it's estimated the total amount of people ever lived is between 45-125 billion... and it's also estimated in 8000BC there were 5000 people and in 1AD there were 300,000 people... so most the people that ever lived, is in the last 2000 years. i'm too tired to do the math, but it's not that outrageous that there were less than 1billion peeps before christ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

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LMFAO... you fucking idiot... first of all it says those statistics are "IN THOUSANDS"... meaning 300,000 = 300,000,000.

And now think about the fact that people are born everyday, while others die... but we're talking about the number of different people that have lived... not the total population at any point in time...

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