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Merovingian:
--- Quote from: Facez on March 09, 2007, 05:56:42 PM ---Hello Merovingian aka "Dan Brown". Sorry I have been away for a few days I was busy. I bet you thought you got me didn't you with your "facts" on Christianity didn't you? I bet your were sitting at your computer laughing manically when you typed your reply. I call you "Dan Brown because a lot of what you are saying especially the things you wrote about the council of Nicea (reincarnation, astrology) sound a lot like the claims made by the Da Vinci code there was no astrology, reincarnation removed form the bible by the council of Nicea "Mero" because there wasn't any in there to begin with. Even the old testament in the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah etc warns about astrologists, that they will burn in fire because they are deceivers . African Texts, heh? virgin birth? First Annunciation heh? Are you sure about that? Are you talking about the same African Texts that have been misinterpreted/altered throughout history. Wow I made a mistake about the ancient Egyptian religion I guess I don't know anything about history, the Egyptian religion was confused, the religion was a pagan religion, and the other religions were humanism based.
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This is precisely what happens when you watch te-LIE-vision. You make asinine, ignorant posts as the one above. Misinterpereted/alterted? Lol...you must be the most gullible person on this planet. You really have NO CLUE of Ancient Kemetology. That's fine though....whatever satisfies your delusional thinking. Like I said before, "Denomination without investigating is FOOLISH".
--- Quote from: Facez on March 09, 2007, 05:56:42 PM ---i am glad that you made this quote because this quote works better for you with your "facts" on Christianity. if you do some proper research, you will find that a lot of them are misinterpreted/exaggerated
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Again, you have no leg to stand on. All you have is belief. Stop reading HIS-STORY.
--- Quote from: Facez on March 09, 2007, 05:56:42 PM ---There you go again assuming you know me. Euphoria? Lol get real. And then you actually compare my spiritual experience to you reading a book, lol come on!. Euphoria for over a year now? You have no idea the type of spiritual experience I felt (through my body and mind, something that i cant explain and something that you could not understand but instead you compare it to reading a book) or who I am or what I have seen God do in the lives of myself and other people. Euphoria lol ohhh please.
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Don't really need to know you. You're about as transparent as glass. Yes, euphoria. However, in the subconscious of your mind, you created the illusion. You see, the many things the mind of man believes, the mind of man has conceived. This holds true in your case.
--- Quote from: Facez on March 09, 2007, 05:56:42 PM ---We call God a man because there is no other way to describe God. As you said God has "no gender or form", please tell me how to describe him?. He, him, his are pronouns used to describe God, You can not call God "it" because "no gender or no form" and it also demeans God because you are referring him to as an object which is below a "Man" who is the highest authority on the planet. Giving God man-like qualities is the only way possible we can try and understand him and what is written in scripture since we are only humans ourselves, there is no point having a bible/God that you cant even get an understanding. The bible says God walked with Adam also, it is obvious that it meant God's presence was around Adam" but if you use the verb "walk" you can understand how close God was to Adam and how attached Man was to God. We call god father because that shows that he is higher than us in authority and that he cares for us. When it says God got angry at something/someone, you can get an understanding of how much the thing/person opposed the word of God. When it says the burning of the meat was pleasing to god it was speaking metaphorically meaning the Israelites obedience/will to sacrifice and be cleansed from sin was pleasing to the Lord. a lot of the bible especially things referring to god were written metaphorically so that we could get an understanding, even Jesus spoke in parables in order to teach the disciples/us.
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Now that sounds just plain silly. The concept of the Creator/God is beyond our comprehension. So, in order to identify with it, you anthropormorphize it (i.e. give it human qualities). It's not your fault...you're just following a shared perception. Subjecting the Creator to the lower qualities of man is demeaning for man is not infallable and is subject to error. When you quote the Bible as your source, you lose all credibility.
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Speaking of parables, honestly that was terrible. It wasn't even really a parable was it?. That was an example, it was also an example of how petty you can be. Reports of a child dying because they refused to receive medical treatment do not happen a lot and you have know idea what their situation was and whether the person who healed them was a real man/woman of God. It doesn't prove that there is no God and even if they did die they went to heaven (I'm not saying it right for a child to die I'm just saying even though they did die, they went to heaven). Believe me I have seen miracles/healing happen to so many people.
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Most of us have experienced moments of a hell-like state, most of us have experienced moments of a heaven-like state. This we know for sure: life has it's ups and downs. Beyond the physical life, so far, nobody KNOWS anything about a Heaven or Hell. They can only tell you what they've read and heard.
However, if you see me crying because the bank foreclosed on my house, my wife is leaving me, my children have turned to a life of crime, that is my hell, and you have witnessed to that. If you see me smiling, because I have a roof over my head, my children are taken care of, I'm helping someone in need, that is my heaven, and you have witnessed to that.
Anything otherwise being taught and preached about Heaven and Hell is speculation, and a belief that should be carefully thought out before spreading to the masses. The most reasonable thing to say is that this is what you believe, and leave it at that. You need to be careful about what you impose upon others as truth, when you have no way of proving it, other than written words. To make such drastic and far-fetched claims without proof only makes you look foolish...because when I yell, "PROVE IT", you get nothing but more doctrine, or the "I'll be prayin' for you" spill. Come on, this stuff is played out.
--- Quote from: Facez on March 09, 2007, 05:56:42 PM ---
And for your information I do know who king James was (king of Scotland,Englan, Ireland translated the bible) and what holy bible means, your point being?
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If that's true, then you should also know that of the people he commissioned to translate the Bible, William Shakespear was one of them. If you look in the King James version Psalms Ch. 46, the 46th word from the beginning is "shake" and the 46th word from the end of the chapter is "spear". He was prohibited from divulging his involvement, so he secretly left his signature. I would think that since you live your life by this book, you would want to know whose hand has been in it. The words "Holy Bible" means Helios Biblios, (i.e. Sun Book). There's so much that you truly don't know about the Bible and you will remain in your ignorance until you don't step outside of that box.
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Facez:
Ok here we go again :D. i have a feeling this is going to be a long one. if it is long please read the whole thing.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---This is precisely what happens when you watch te-LIE-vision. You make asinine, ignorant posts as the one above. Misinterpereted/alterted? Lol...you must be the most gullible person on this planet. You really have NO CLUE of Ancient Kemetology. That's fine though....whatever satisfies your delusional thinking. Like I said before, "Denomination without investigating is FOOLISH".
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yes i said "misinterperated/altered" doctrine. alot of it was misinterpreted/altered
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---Again, you have no leg to stand on. All you have is belief. Stop reading HIS-STORY.
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Really?
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---Don't really need to know you. You're about as transparent as glass. Yes, euphoria. However, in the subconscious of your mind, you created the illusion.
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here we go "euphoria" again lol.
Again I say "do you know me" & do we have the same mind/body? Do we live the same life? No we don't. I know about Euphoria and the unconsciousness of the mind, you would have to actually experience what I experienced or be me to fully understand the type experience I had. It wasn't the feeling you get when you "read a book", when your overwhelmed, smoke drugs, drink alcohol etc , the only way I can explain it is that it was like, it was something that I had never felt before. But you truly cant understand unless it happens to you.
i am as "Transparent as glass" am I. ooook if you say so. i keep forgeting that you know me so well. ::)
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---You see, the many things the mind of man believes, the mind of man has conceived. This holds true in your case.
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so does that mean that that statement applies to you also.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---Now that sounds just plain silly. The concept of the Creator/God is beyond our comprehension. So, in order to identify with it, you anthropormorphize it (i.e. give it human qualities). It's not your fault...you're just following a shared perception. Subjecting the Creator to the lower qualities of man is demeaning for man is not infallable and is subject to error. When you quote the Bible as your source, you lose all credibility.
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I am not saying/the bible does not say that God has man-like qualities because that would be demeaning I said we give him man-like qualities like "walk," "heard" because they are metaphors that we/the bible uses in order to understand/to get a grasp of the things that God: does/did/ is doing. Like when Jesus compared the bible (word of God) to seed, he was trying to demean the bible he was just simply using something that we are all common with in order to show that it needs to be placed in good soil (someone's heart) and retained in order to produce a harvest (blessing)
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---Most of us have experienced moments of a hell-like state, most of us have experienced moments of a heaven-like state. This we know for sure: life has it's ups and downs. Beyond the physical life, so far, nobody KNOWS anything about a Heaven or Hell. They can only tell you what they've read and heard.
However, if you see me crying because the bank foreclosed on my house, my wife is leaving me, my children have turned to a life of crime, that is my hell, and you have witnessed to that. If you see me smiling, because I have a roof over my head, my children are taken care of, I'm helping someone in need, that is my heaven, and you have witnessed to that.
Anything otherwise being taught and preached about Heaven and Hell is speculation, and a belief that should be carefully thought out before spreading to the masses. The most reasonable thing to say is that this is what you believe, and leave it at that. You need to be careful about what you impose upon others as truth, when you have no way of proving it, other than written words. To make such drastic and far-fetched claims without proof only makes you look foolish…because when I yell, “PROVE IT”, you get nothing but more doctrine, or the “I’ll be prayin’ for you” spill. Come on, this stuff is played out.
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How do you know? You act as if you know everyone and everyone's experiences. Yes there are people who have only read/heard about heaven & Hell, but there also people who say that they have been to the other side and have experienced/seen heaven or Hell, who is to argue with them? I guess people like you who believe there is no God/miracles etc there is a "rational" explanation for everything.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---If that's true, then you should also know that of the people he commissioned to translate the Bible, William Shakespear was one of them. If you look in the King James version Psalms Ch. 46, the 46th word from the beginning is "shake" and the 46th word from the end of the chapter is "spear". He was prohibited from divulging his involvement, so he secretly left his signature. I would think that since you live your life by this book, you would want to know whose hand has been in it.
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:o....... Lol at these "bible codes" that people find. ok let me break it down for you, this claim is such a silly one and here is the proof.
the person who discovered this read these scriptures from the king james version (KJV)
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
Psalms 46:9 (9) He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
Shake + spear = Shakespear even though there is an "E" at the end Shakespeare". this would lead somen to believe shakespeare had some involvement in the bible.
so the question is did Shakespeare put the words "shake" and "spear" in Psalm 46 (a year before the KJV was released) or was it just a coincidence?......
May I remind you of the Geneva Bible's version of Psalms 46 that was released in 1587
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters thereof rage and be troubled, and the mountaines shake at the surges of the same. Selah,
Psalms 46:9 (9) He maketh warres to cease vnto the endes of the world: he breaketh the bowe and cutteth the speare, and burneth the chariots with fire
:o "shake" and "spear" re-occur. Did Shakespeare write his surname in this bibles version of psalms? Could be since he was 23.
But let me remind you of the bishops bible that was released in 1968
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters thereof rage and swell: and though the mountaynes shake at the surges of the same. Selah.
Psalms 46:9 (9) He maketh warres to ceasse in all the worlde: he breaketh the bowe, & knappeth the speare in sunder, and burneth the charettes in the fire.
Did Shakespeare write his name in this bible? Well he was four years old and four year olds can write so there is a possibility.
But let me remind you of the Miles Coverdale Bible released in 1535
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters of the see raged & were neuer so troublous, & though the mountaynes shoke at the tepest of the same
Psalms 46:9 (9) He hath made warres to ceasse in all the worlde: he hath broken the bowe, he hath knapped the speare in sonder, & bret the charettes in the fyre.
Did Shakespeare go back in time (19 years before his birth) and put his name in this version of psalms. I can go on but i think you get the point.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 28, 2007, 03:47:38 PM ---The words "Holy Bible" means Helios Biblios, (i.e. Sun Book). There's so much that you truly don't know about the Bible and you will remain in your ignorance until you don't step outside of that box.
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Im sorry my friend but you are misinformed. You have just stated that holy bible derives from/means "Helios biblios" which in Greek means "sun book," how can Helios mean both holy and sun? well you are half right "Helios bibios" does means "sun book" (because Helios was the Greek God of the sun), but "holy" does not mean/derive from "Helios".
"Holy" came from the Greek word "Hagios". Hagios in Greek means (sacred, holy). They (the Greeks) have been using the word Hagios (meaning holy) since 1000 B.C
To sum up, "Helios" means "Sun" (sometimes light)
"Hagios" means "holy" or "sacred"
"Helios" and "Holy" have nothing to do with each other.
Please do not call me ignorant because as I have stated before "you don't know me"
There are a lot of false theologies/doctrines on Christianity that people use to deceive the Christians and the people who are ignorant of the Christian faith, please do not be decieved. this reminds me of a piece of scripture that I would like to share with you from 2 Peter 2: 1-3
2Peter 2:1-3 (1) But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. (2) And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. (3) By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.
For you information I will be praying for you.
God Bless.
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