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Question for all Christians!
jeromechickenbone:
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--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 03, 2007, 08:57:23 PM ---If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
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lol, that's some matrix shit.
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and his name is Merovingian...
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: Jrome Is Officially Not Fuckin Around on March 03, 2007, 09:52:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Smoke Break on March 03, 2007, 09:44:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 03, 2007, 08:57:23 PM ---If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
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lol, that's some matrix shit.
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and his name is Merovingian...
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:o
Facez:
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 03, 2007, 08:57:23 PM ---How do you know that it was this God who changed you and not your own consciousness? Have you seen this God? What makes you think that this God is anymore real than that of the Ancient Greeks, Egyptian, Mayans, ect? The bottom line is this: People, places, and things are real if you believe them to be. You are the sum total of your beliefs, and your beliefs are always subject to change as your knowledge base expands. Years ago, people once believed the sun revolved around the Earth and that the Earth was flat. It was proven otherwise. This is no different with religion.
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The Egyptian, Greek etc religions were based on humanism and they believed in many human Gods (gods of music, wine, agriculture etc) and because of things like that their religion died out. Christianity is still on the increase today.
And are you trying to say that I don't know the difference between God and my own conscience. If you could of felt the way I felt and feel the way I feel you wouldn't even asked that question. I used to be a person full of anger, pain, stress, and hate and in one day I felt Gods spirit come upon me and it has changed me since, and you are trying to say the my conscious told me to change? Its not even just the things that God has done in my life; the things that I have seen and the things that I have seen God do in other peoples life is extraordinary.
Are you trying to say me and the millions of other Christians in the worlds minds (a lot who more intelligent thank you, some atheists/scientists/historians turned Christian) haven't expanded. Maybe its your mind that needs to expand.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 03, 2007, 08:57:23 PM ---So your saying, God is in one place and his spirit is in another place? That makes no sense.
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God is a spiritual force and God's spirit (the Holy Spirit) is a part of him that is sent as a guide to live inside the believer (the one who has accepted in his heart and has confessed that Jesus is Lord as I mentioned previously about Romans 10:9). As I have said for the third time now God dwells everywhere but his spirit will not dwell in and unbeliever because they do not want his spirit. God Dwells everywhere but will not dwell inside a person that does not want him.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 03, 2007, 08:57:23 PM ---I say that because that's what the research says. I wouldn't have said it if there was no proof. Have you researched the history of your religion? Do you know who King James was, assuming you read that version of the Bible? Do you even know what the words "Holy Bible" mean? If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
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You need to step out side the box (matrix) that you're in. you are letting humans beings give you their views/opinions and knowledge about God and you're believing it.
This sort of reminds me of when doctors invent a new medicine that they promise can cure/prevent aids or other deadly diseases and people have so much faith in the medicine since the doctor (a very intelligent man who supposedly knows what he is saying) told them. So they take the medicine and become even more sick and most die. Merovingian the moral of the story is doctors aren't always right.
Do you like that parable Mero?
Thanks “Shallow”, lol “Smoke break” and the rest for giving your views.
Merovingian:
--- Quote from: Facez on March 04, 2007, 08:30:53 AM ---
The Egyptian, Greek etc religions were based on humanism and they believed in many human Gods (gods of music, wine, agriculture etc) and because of things like that their religion died out. Christianity is still on the increase today.
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That statement truly shows how out of touch with history you really are. They were not based on humanism. The Ancient Egyptian religion was spiritually based and was centered around the Universe. History documents that many of the Christian teachings are actually derived from the writings of ancient African priests, philosophers, and rulers. Ancient African texts document the first Annunciation, the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Birth, and the First Savior, who was proclaimed as the Son of God. It was at the Council of Nicea that all original references to astrology and reincarnation were deleted from the European Bible and rewritten in allegorical form. It was then that all other competing religions were ABOLISHED. Remember, it was Africans who were the first people to inhabit this planet. There's no disputing that. Just because one religion has out lasted others doesn't make it TRUE. Remember, once a lie is told, it is perpetuated. A lie can be told for so long that it is accepted as the TRUTH. You're are on the tail end of this Christianity thing. You don't know what happened centuries ago. You're accepting the Bible as TRUTH when in fact, it is not.
--- Quote from: Facez on March 04, 2007, 08:30:53 AM ---
And are you trying to say that I don't know the difference between God and my own conscience. If you could of felt the way I felt and feel the way I feel you wouldn't even asked that question. I used to be a person full of anger, pain, stress, and hate and in one day I felt Gods spirit come upon me and it has changed me since, and you are trying to say the my conscious told me to change? Its not even just the things that God has done in my life; the things that I have seen and the things that I have seen God do in other peoples life is extraordinary.
Are you trying to say me and the millions of other Christians in the worlds minds (a lot who more intelligent thank you, some atheists/scientists/historians turned Christian) haven't expanded. Maybe its your mind that needs to expand.
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What you experienced is a feeling of euphoria, nothing more, nothing less. However, you choose to attribute that feeling to some supernatural being. I have that same feeling when I'm reading a good novel. You see, it was never in my nature to feel stress, anger, pain, and hate. It all starts with love for self. If you TRULY have love for self, then how can you not have love for others. The reality is this: God is a creation of the human mind and not vice versa. It has been this way since the birth of humanity. One civilization conquers another, imposes its God on the conquered peoples and make their Gods into lesser Gods. This is how religion evolves.
--- Quote from: Facez on March 04, 2007, 08:30:53 AM ---
God is a spiritual force and God's spirit (the Holy Spirit) is a part of him that is sent as a guide to live inside the believer (the one who has accepted in his heart and has confessed that Jesus is Lord as I mentioned previously about Romans 10:9). As I have said for the third time now God dwells everywhere but his spirit will not dwell in and unbeliever because they do not want his spirit. God Dwells everywhere but will not dwell inside a person that does not want him.
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You see, this is where the Bible is confusing to believers. You say the Biblical God is a spiritual force, yet you refer to it as HIM? A Spiritual Force has no gender, no form. In other parts of the Bible, it makes references to God having human like qualities: He is heard walking like a man by Adam and Eve. He talked like a man. He even ate like a man. When the people brought animals to the alter to burn them for sacrifice, that is exactly like putting meat on the grill to cook. When the animals were cooked, who ate them if they were brought to the Lord God? He has emotions like man. He gets angry and jealous. He is vain. He assisted in wars and destruction of his own alleged creation. So, with all these characteristics of man, why can't a powerful force of energy seperate itself from the lower qualities of man? Which is it? Is it a MAN or SPIRIT?
--- Quote from: Facez on March 04, 2007, 08:30:53 AM ---You need to step out side the box (matrix) that you're in. you are letting humans beings give you their views/opinions and knowledge about God and you're believing it.
This sort of reminds me of when doctors invent a new medicine that they promise can cure/prevent aids or other deadly diseases and people have so much faith in the medicine since the doctor (a very intelligent man who supposedly knows what he is saying) told them. So they take the medicine and become even more sick and most die. Merovingian the moral of the story is doctors aren't always right.
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Stop avoiding the questions. Answer them. You don't know the history of your religion or who King James or the meaning of the words Holy Bible don't you? My reasearch is based on objective points of view and not the dogmatic, narrow-minded view of the Church. I'll flip your little parable this way: This sort of reminds me of believers so drowned in the beliefs that when the little girl or little boy is so sick they need medical attention. Yet, because of the belief the deny their children medical help and pray the ficticious daddy in the sky for healing. Ultimately, the child dies because of the parents denial of medical attention. Where was God in their time of need?
How do you like that parable Facez?
Facez:
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 06, 2007, 06:01:13 PM ---That statement truly shows how out of touch with history you really are. They were not based on humanism. The Ancient Egyptian religion was spiritually based and was centered around the Universe. History documents that many of the Christian teachings are actually derived from the writings of ancient African priests, philosophers, and rulers. Ancient African texts document the first Annunciation, the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Birth, and the First Savior, who was proclaimed as the Son of God. It was at the Council of Nicea that all original references to astrology and reincarnation were deleted from the European Bible and rewritten in allegorical form. It was then that all other competing religions were ABOLISHED. Remember, it was Africans who were the first people to inhabit this planet. There's no disputing that. Just because one religion has out lasted others doesn't make it TRUE. Remember, once a lie is told, it is perpetuated. A lie can be told for so long that it is accepted as the TRUTH. You're are on the tail end of this Christianity thing. You don't know what happened centuries ago. You're accepting the Bible as TRUTH when in fact, it is not.
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Hello Merovingian aka “Dan Brown”. Sorry I have been away for a few days I was busy. I bet you thought you got me didn't you with your “facts” on Christianity didn't you? I bet your were sitting at your computer laughing manically when you typed your reply. I call you “Dan Brown because a lot of what you are saying especially the things you wrote about the council of Nicea (reincarnation, astrology) sound a lot like the claims made by the Da Vinci code there was no astrology, reincarnation removed form the bible by the council of Nicea “Mero” because there wasn't any in there to begin with. Even the old testament in the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah etc warns about astrologists, that they will burn in fire because they are deceivers . African Texts, heh? virgin birth? First Annunciation heh? Are you sure about that? Are you talking about the same African Texts that have been misinterpreted/altered throughout history.
Wow I made a mistake about the ancient Egyptian religion I guess I don't know anything about history, the Egyptian religion was confused, the religion was a pagan religion, and the other religions were humanism based.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 06, 2007, 06:01:13 PM ---Remember, once a lie is told, it is perpetuated. A lie can be told for so long that it is accepted as the TRUTH
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i am glad that you made this quote because this quote works better for you with your "facts" on Christianity. if you do some proper research, you will find that a lot of them are misinterpreted/exaggerated
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 06, 2007, 06:01:13 PM ---What you experienced is a feeling of euphoria, nothing more, nothing less. However, you choose to attribute that feeling to some supernatural being. I have that same feeling when I'm reading a good novel. You see, it was never in my nature to feel stress, anger, pain, and hate. It all starts with love for self. If you TRULY have love for self, then how can you not have love for others. The reality is this: God is a creation of the human mind and not vice versa. It has been this way since the birth of humanity. One civilization conquers another, imposes its God on the conquered peoples and make their Gods into lesser Gods. This is how religion evolves.
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There you go again assuming you know me. Euphoria? Lol get real. And then you actually compare my spiritual experience to you reading a book, lol come on!. Euphoria for over a year now? You have no idea the type of spiritual experience I felt (through my body and mind, something that i cant explain and something that you could not understand but instead you compare it to reading a book) or who I am or what I have seen God do in the lives of myself and other people. Euphoria lol ohhh please.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 06, 2007, 06:01:13 PM ---You see, this is where the Bible is confusing to believers. You say the Biblical God is a spiritual force, yet you refer to it as HIM? A Spiritual Force has no gender, no form. In other parts of the Bible, it makes references to God having human like qualities: He is heard walking like a man by Adam and Eve. He talked like a man. He even ate like a man. When the people brought animals to the alter to burn them for sacrifice, that is exactly like putting meat on the grill to cook. When the animals were cooked, who ate them if they were brought to the Lord God? He has emotions like man. He gets angry and jealous. He is vain. He assisted in wars and destruction of his own alleged creation. So, with all these characteristics of man, why can't a powerful force of energy seperate itself from the lower qualities of man? Which is it? Is it a MAN or SPIRIT?
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We call God a man because there is no other way to describe God. As you said God has “no gender or form”, please tell me how to describe him?. He, him, his are pronouns used to describe God, You can not call God “it” because “no gender or no form” and it also demeans God because you are referring him to as an object which is below a “Man” who is the highest authority on the planet. Giving God man-like qualities is the only way possible we can try and understand him and what is written in scripture since we are only humans ourselves, there is no point having a bible/God that you cant even get an understanding. The bible says God walked with Adam also, it is obvious that it meant God's presence was around Adam” but if you use the verb “walk” you can understand how close God was to Adam and how attached Man was to God. We call god father because that shows that he is higher than us in authority and that he cares for us. When it says God got angry at something/someone, you can get an understanding of how much the thing/person opposed the word of God. When it says the burning of the meat was pleasing to god it was speaking metaphorically meaning the Israelites obedience/will to sacrifice and be cleansed from sin was pleasing to the Lord. a lot of the bible especially things referring to god were written metaphorically so that we could get an understanding, even Jesus spoke in parables in order to teach the disciples/us.
--- Quote from: Merovingian on March 06, 2007, 06:01:13 PM ---Stop avoiding the questions. Answer them. You don't know the history of your religion or who King James or the meaning of the words Holy Bible don't you? My reasearch is based on objective points of view and not the dogmatic, narrow-minded view of the Church. I'll flip your little parable this way: This sort of reminds me of believers so drowned in the beliefs that when the little girl or little boy is so sick they need medical attention. Yet, because of the belief the deny their children medical help and pray the ficticious daddy in the sky for healing. Ultimately, the child dies because of the parents denial of medical attention. Where was God in their time of need?
How do you like that parable Facez?
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Speaking of parables, honestly that was terrible. It wasn't even really a parable was it?. That was an example, it was also an example of how petty you can be. Reports of a child dying because they refused to receive medical treatment do not happen a lot and you have know idea what their situation was and whether the person who healed them was a real man/woman of God. It doesn't prove that there is no God and even if they did die they went to heaven (I'm not saying it right for a child to die I'm just saying even though they did die, they went to heaven). Believe me I have seen miracles/healing happen to so many people.
And for your information I do know who king James was (king of Scotland,Englan, Ireland translated the bible) and what holy bible means, your point being?
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