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And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say? Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
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Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PMAnd how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say? Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.In your argument you're already implying that Christ's birth was an immaculate one, a miracle so to say, which is what Muslims believe. Now stop and think for a second... why else would it be referred to as a miracle birth, if not for the reason that he was born to a virgin. The miracle is: he had no father. By what you're saying, the simple fact that Jesus is even believed to have been born to a virgin can be considered illogical, so why would you acknowledge that but then consider the fact that people don't asrcibe a father to him as illogical. By what you're saying... Adam = the son of God as well... except in this case God is both his mother and father.Also, how do you explain Jesus being both the son of God and then at the same time, he is God.
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam?
Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PMMan was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam? youre making an incorrect assumption. muslims dont believe man was born of sin. we believe man is born pure and clean. there fore your entire post is baseless
Being the messiah doesn't equate to being the "son of God".
Yea your initial assumptions are from christian teachings....There is no such thing as we're sinned forever cuz of adam&eve and how can christ be born without a father. Its ridiculous to believe such a thing, thats why christianity is not a logical religion
Ok, let's ignore what Tech said about man not being born of sin, since your main question is basically why Muslims don't accept Jesus as the son of God.The phrase "Son of God" was used throughout the Bible to refer others besides Jesus... (ex: King David, the prophet Ezekial, Daniel, the Jewish people as whole being called the "children of God", etc)... it's evident that Jesus isn't the only being referred to as the son of God, and is therefore not to be taken in the literal sense that you're trying to imply... unless David, who had biological parents, is also literally the son of God, implying he has 2 daddies. In addition, there are several verses in the Bible which quote Jesus referring to God as "your father" or "our father" when he's talking to the people. There's no difference between saying "my father" or "our father", so there's no way to derive that Jesus is in fact implying he's literally the Son of God. Exod 4:22-23 "Let my son go that he may serve me. Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."Psalm 2:7 "Jehovah had said onto me, thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (me = David)If you have some proof that Jesus is the Son of God in a different sense than the one being ascribed to all the other examples, then I'd like to see some proof of why. Does Jesus say "I was born to a virgin, therefore God is my daddy"?I'm assuming you don't actually believe that God came to earth in the human form, had sex with Mary, impregnated her, and bounced.Again, you don't make sense when you say that the Muslim belief in Jesus being born to a virgin but not being the literal son of God is illogical, just because it's not the same as the Christian belief. Your argument holds no ground. You saying "How can Muslims believe..." isn't a very convincing argument. I can just as easily say "How can Christians believe....", but it wouldn't mean shit. To me it seems that rather than trying to ask why Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, you're actually trying to debate the idea of the trinity itself. If that's the case, let me know because right now you're not saying shit.