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Question for all Muslims!
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Facez on December 21, 2006, 12:34:11 PM ---Jesus was god
he cried out to God
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Thanks for that.
King Tech Quadafi:
^ lol
sonofisis:
--- Quote from: Facez on December 21, 2006, 12:34:11 PM ---
to "sonofis". You have to listen to both sides of the story not just a Muslim talking about the flaws in Christianity or a Christian talking about the flaws in Islam. you have to do much more research in order to decide. just because u might find something wrong or some one says something wrong about Christianity doesn't means that it is. keep searchin my brother
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I understand that bruh.. I was just saying, I couldn't really poke any major holes in Islam(believe me, I've been trying for weeks now), but there is a lot about Christianity that sticks out as questionable from the jump. As a matter of fact, I'm downloading a documentary about the lost gospels right now from mvgroup.org...
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct?
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Not correct. Islam, means submission to the Creator. None of us asked to be sent to this world. It is the Creator who sent us here. We were sent in submission to his will, every one is born in innocence. No soul shall bear the sins of another.
And actually this brings up a point of confusion in the Bible, because in one place in the Bible it mentions that no man should carry the burdens (sins) of someone from before. Then later, ofcourse we have the origional sin theory. I'll look up the verses later.
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---
Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
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At one time there was no water on this Earth and Allah created water. At one time there were no people on this Earth and Allah created people. At one time, there was no food on this Earth and Allah created food for us. At one time there were no cars or planes, and man had concern to have a car and plane, and Allah created the means for him to produce it.
Allah is the creator. He could create Adam without a mother or father. So the possibility that Jesus was created without a father is not a suprising phenomenon.
Also, Islam is how you suggested it to be, a flawless religion. Because the Qu'ran in fact does mention that some of the stories in the Qu'ran that are from previous texts, are not to be taken literally, but rather the stories from previous times are allegorical.
Qur'an verse 3:7
"He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed."
...The foundational belief of Islam is that Allah is one, and that he has no partner. Therefore, the main point that is repeated consistently regarding the life of Jesus is that he was not God, nor was he a partner to God, but rather he was a merely a submitter to God, and a messenger. This is the essence of the story in the Qu'ran, the rest is just husk.
Primo:
Jesus was of flesh, Mohammed was of flesh. Guess what..........YHWH/Allah was of flesh also. If you look at all the physical charactoristics he is being described as in the Bible. The reason Islam claims Jesus was flesh is because when YHWH came to Mohammed he learned of these truths. Islam was supposed to succeed Christianity for people at that time. This is the reason Islam forbids the Bible to be read. YHWH wanted us to progress and let go of the primitive beliefs. Sorry to put all the mysticism to rest for peopel that are not ready for that. But god is of flesh and comes from another place in the universe.
Heres a cute little metaphorical statement for you reguarding humanities growth.
"Which indeed is the least of all seeds but whe it is grown, it is the greastest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof."Matthew 13:32
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