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Question for all Muslims!
sonofisis:
--- Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on December 20, 2006, 11:16:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 11:31:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on December 19, 2006, 11:17:42 PM ---Yea your initial assumptions are from christian teachings....There is no such thing as we're sinned forever cuz of adam&eve and how can christ be born without a father. Its ridiculous to believe such a thing, thats why christianity is not a logical religion
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This is where you lose my friend, because this is not an assumption and I know for a fact that Muslims believe this and not Christians. Muslims believe that Christ was born with out a father, Christians believe God was the father.. And The Old Testament is flawless, this is where the Adam and Eve story comes from. Most Muslims have a problem with the New Testament, I've watched many debates where they've stated this. And for all I know Mohammed was a false prophet, how we know he just didn't copy shit from the Bible and made all that other shit up?
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Ok obviously you didn't read my post all the way. Mohammad was illeterate and couldn't have narrated the best ever written book. HOw is that possible?
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Ok fool, why are you still trying to argue? You obviously didn't read the posts leading up to yours, JM answered all of my questions, I said that I couldn't find any flaws in Islam, what more do you want me to say?
Facez:
I've been reading this forum and it sort of changed a bit from the original question to how does Christianity contradict itself? to merovingian the atheist without a clue. but i want to give a Christian answer, I'm gonna have to defend my faith because i know that the rest of you would if i said something bad about Islam.
(1 Timothy 3:14-16:) (14)Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, (15) if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. (16) Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He[a] appeared in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.
(John 8:57-58 it says:) (57)"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
(58)"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
this means that Jesus was god because only God said he was "I am" to Moses at the burning bush
(Exodus 3:13-14): (13) Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"
(14) God said to Moses, "I am who I am . [a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "
and Jesus wasn't the first time that God came to earth in the flesh because he has done it before
(Genesis 18:1-2) (1)The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. (2) Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
(genesis 18:20-22) (20) Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous (21) that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
(22) The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD.
you have to understand that Jesus was part human and part spirit. he had a human side which got depressed, sad and felt pain (thats why he cried out to God).he also had a spiritual side (which was God, thats why he performed miracles and remained sinless). Jesus needed the fear of good because he had a human side (or half human)
Jesus always spoke in the spirit
to the guy who wrote "was the gospel of john written by john" made me laugh because what he didn't realise was that there were two Johns: John the disciple the man who wrote the book and John the Baptist (who was a powerful man who had disciples himself) the one who baptised Jesus. from john 1-19 up to John 4:2 John the disciple was writing about John the baptist
Jesus was crucified on a cross. crosses are wood.wood comes form trees. they used to cut down the trees and make crosses out of them.
(Luke 23:23) (23) But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed.
the word crucify means nailed to a cross (look up the definition) it doesn't mean anything else. You cant be crucified to a tree. They used the word tree because the cross was cut from a tree, it is a piece of tree
to "sonofis". You have to listen to both sides of the story not just a Muslim talking about the flaws in Christianity or a Christian talking about the flaws in Islam. you have to do much more research in order to decide. just because u might find something wrong or some one says something wrong about Christianity doesn't means that it is. keep searchin my brother
ill leave you with the words of 2 peter 2:1-3
(1)But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. (2)Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. (3)In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
I'm not trying to start an argument but i have to defend my religion and what i believe
and to merovingian I really pray that you see the light someday (and thats real talk).
7even:
--- Quote from: Facez on December 21, 2006, 12:34:11 PM ---and to merovingian I really pray that you see the light someday (and thats real talk).
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yeah we can only hope for merovingian that one day he becomes as enlightend as you are
Merovingian:
--- Quote from: Facez on December 21, 2006, 12:34:11 PM ---I've been reading this forum and it sort of changed a bit from the original question to how does Christianity contradict itself? to merovingian the atheist without a clue. but i want to give a Christian answer, I'm gonna have to defend my faith because i know that the rest of you would if i said something bad about Islam.
(1 Timothy 3:14-16:) (14)Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, (15) if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. (16) Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He[a] appeared in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.
(John 8:57-58 it says:) (57)"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
(58)"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
this means that Jesus was god because only God said he was "I am" to Moses at the burning bush
(Exodus 3:13-14): (13) Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"
(14) God said to Moses, "I am who I am . [a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "
and Jesus wasn't the first time that God came to earth in the flesh because he has done it before
(Genesis 18:1-2) (1)The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. (2) Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
(genesis 18:20-22) (20) Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous (21) that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
(22) The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD.
you have to understand that Jesus was part human and part spirit. he had a human side which got depressed, sad and felt pain (thats why he cried out to God).he also had a spiritual side (which was God, thats why he performed miracles and remained sinless). Jesus needed the fear of good because he had a human side (or half human)
Jesus always spoke in the spirit
to the guy who wrote "was the gospel of john written by john" made me laugh because what he didn't realise was that there were two Johns: John the disciple the man who wrote the book and John the Baptist (who was a powerful man who had disciples himself) the one who baptised Jesus. from john 1-19 up to John 4:2 John the disciple was writing about John the baptist
Jesus was crucified on a cross. crosses are wood.wood comes form trees. they used to cut down the trees and make crosses out of them.
(Luke 23:23) (23) But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed.
the word crucify means nailed to a cross (look up the definition) it doesn't mean anything else. You cant be crucified to a tree. They used the word tree because the cross was cut from a tree, it is a piece of tree
to "sonofis". You have to listen to both sides of the story not just a Muslim talking about the flaws in Christianity or a Christian talking about the flaws in Islam. you have to do much more research in order to decide. just because u might find something wrong or some one says something wrong about Christianity doesn't means that it is. keep searchin my brother
ill leave you with the words of 2 peter 2:1-3
(1)But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. (2)Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. (3)In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
I'm not trying to start an argument but i have to defend my religion and what i believe
and to merovingian I really pray that you see the light someday (and thats real talk).
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You are only one of many that are not ready to step out of the little box that you have put your God and Jesus inside of. Oh how upset you're gonna be when you find out that Jesus is not coming to save you. This salvation and kingdom of God that you speak of is all in your mind and that's where it will remain. Evolution of the mind, body, and soul is what's up......please, KNOW this.
You can remain in your ignorance and the truth of life will still unfold....while your fairytales go bye-bye...slowly but surely these false teachings are coming to an end....thus, the new beginning. Now, that's real.
You regurgitating bible verses tells me that you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
IRAN iz Gangsta!:
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 21, 2006, 08:39:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on December 20, 2006, 11:16:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 11:31:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on December 19, 2006, 11:17:42 PM ---Yea your initial assumptions are from christian teachings....There is no such thing as we're sinned forever cuz of adam&eve and how can christ be born without a father. Its ridiculous to believe such a thing, thats why christianity is not a logical religion
--- End quote ---
This is where you lose my friend, because this is not an assumption and I know for a fact that Muslims believe this and not Christians. Muslims believe that Christ was born with out a father, Christians believe God was the father.. And The Old Testament is flawless, this is where the Adam and Eve story comes from. Most Muslims have a problem with the New Testament, I've watched many debates where they've stated this. And for all I know Mohammed was a false prophet, how we know he just didn't copy shit from the Bible and made all that other shit up?
--- End quote ---
Ok obviously you didn't read my post all the way. Mohammad was illeterate and couldn't have narrated the best ever written book. HOw is that possible?
--- End quote ---
Ok fool, why are you still trying to argue? You obviously didn't read the posts leading up to yours, JM answered all of my questions, I said that I couldn't find any flaws in Islam, what more do you want me to say?
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I dont need to read all those long ass posts cuz i know most of it and i know the answer.
What IM Arguing against is you saying mohammad is a fake and he made it all up and I proved to you how it's NOT.....
Oh nevermind ::)
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