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Question for all Muslims!
Merovingian:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 20, 2006, 03:58:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 20, 2006, 03:54:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 20, 2006, 03:46:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---Ok, from my understanding Muslim people don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.. They continuously deny his crucifixion and claim that he was of the flesh, a mere mortal and nothing more than a prophet.. Yet, at the same time Muslims do admit that Christ was born of immaculate conception and came str8 from the father. It took me a while to find a contradiction in Islam but I did with out even having to pick up a Koran! It is so blatant and obvious. This is my question to all Muslims and those who have some knowledge of the Koranic and Biblical scripture.
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam? And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say? Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
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You need to step outside of that box you're in. There was no immaculate conception and no virgin birth. Christianity and Islamic teachings are no different in that they are BOTH based on the perceptions of other men and not some divine inspiration.
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JML, I'll respond to you in one second.. @ Merovigian, how the hell am I stuck in a box? Are you serious or was this the wittiest line that you could come up with? If anything I'm trying to expand my perception of Islam by asking questions, what type of idiot are you for that statement? So I guess the 1.6 million Christians world wide are stuck in a box also? And mind you, I'm not a Christian! You look like an asshole when you assume..
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Dont mind our good friend, Meningitis... he's not telling you to step outside of a box because you're asking questions about Islam... but rather because he thinks people are dumb for following any of these religions... that's his opinion, which is fine.
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Not dumb...but closed-minded. You will never find salvation in a book. What can a book tell you that your own consciousness cannot? The sooner people realize that, the better off this world will be.
Merovingian:
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 20, 2006, 03:54:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 20, 2006, 03:46:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---Ok, from my understanding Muslim people don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.. They continuously deny his crucifixion and claim that he was of the flesh, a mere mortal and nothing more than a prophet.. Yet, at the same time Muslims do admit that Christ was born of immaculate conception and came str8 from the father. It took me a while to find a contradiction in Islam but I did with out even having to pick up a Koran! It is so blatant and obvious. This is my question to all Muslims and those who have some knowledge of the Koranic and Biblical scripture.
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam? And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say? Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
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You need to step outside of that box you're in. There was no immaculate conception and no virgin birth. Christianity and Islamic teachings are no different in that they are BOTH based on the perceptions of other men and not some divine inspiration.
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JML, I'll respond to you in one second.. @ Merovigian, how the hell am I stuck in a box? Are you serious or was this the wittiest line that you could come up with? If anything I'm trying to expand my perception of Islam by asking questions, what type of idiot are you for that statement? So I guess the 1.6 million Christians world wide are stuck in a box also? And mind you, I'm not a Christian! You look like an asshole when you assume..
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That goes far beyond your comprehension my friend.
sonofisis:
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 20, 2006, 04:31:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 20, 2006, 03:54:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 20, 2006, 03:46:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---Ok, from my understanding Muslim people don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.. They continuously deny his crucifixion and claim that he was of the flesh, a mere mortal and nothing more than a prophet.. Yet, at the same time Muslims do admit that Christ was born of immaculate conception and came str8 from the father. It took me a while to find a contradiction in Islam but I did with out even having to pick up a Koran! It is so blatant and obvious. This is my question to all Muslims and those who have some knowledge of the Koranic and Biblical scripture.
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam? And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say? Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
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You need to step outside of that box you're in. There was no immaculate conception and no virgin birth. Christianity and Islamic teachings are no different in that they are BOTH based on the perceptions of other men and not some divine inspiration.
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JML, I'll respond to you in one second.. @ Merovigian, how the hell am I stuck in a box? Are you serious or was this the wittiest line that you could come up with? If anything I'm trying to expand my perception of Islam by asking questions, what type of idiot are you for that statement? So I guess the 1.6 million Christians world wide are stuck in a box also? And mind you, I'm not a Christian! You look like an asshole when you assume..
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That goes far beyond your comprehension my friend.
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Pretty ironic coming from some dweeb who can't comprehend the existence of a God. You probably live your life according to current events and science, what a shallow life you must live young one, I feel sorry for you.. I would pray for you but I don't feel like it.
Merovingian:
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 20, 2006, 04:42:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 20, 2006, 04:31:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 20, 2006, 03:54:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 20, 2006, 03:46:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---Ok, from my understanding Muslim people don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.. They continuously deny his crucifixion and claim that he was of the flesh, a mere mortal and nothing more than a prophet.. Yet, at the same time Muslims do admit that Christ was born of immaculate conception and came str8 from the father. It took me a while to find a contradiction in Islam but I did with out even having to pick up a Koran! It is so blatant and obvious. This is my question to all Muslims and those who have some knowledge of the Koranic and Biblical scripture.
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam? And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say? Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
--- End quote ---
You need to step outside of that box you're in. There was no immaculate conception and no virgin birth. Christianity and Islamic teachings are no different in that they are BOTH based on the perceptions of other men and not some divine inspiration.
--- End quote ---
JML, I'll respond to you in one second.. @ Merovigian, how the hell am I stuck in a box? Are you serious or was this the wittiest line that you could come up with? If anything I'm trying to expand my perception of Islam by asking questions, what type of idiot are you for that statement? So I guess the 1.6 million Christians world wide are stuck in a box also? And mind you, I'm not a Christian! You look like an asshole when you assume..
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That goes far beyond your comprehension my friend.
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Pretty ironic coming from some dweeb who can't comprehend the existence of a God. You probably live your life according to current events and science, what a shallow life you must live young one, I feel sorry for you.. I would pray for you but I don't feel like it.
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I don't normally resort to insults, but you left me no choice. That's what an enslaved mind would say. Your nothing but a mindless sheep, a puppet if you will. Do you even know the origins of Christianty or Islam? Are you even aware of the biblical revisions that took place in Europe? My guess is no. It is you who can't comprehend. What you fail to realize is that God is just a title for the source of all things created. And contrary to your belief, I do acknowledge this source. After all, I am this source. That sounds very blasphemous and anti-everything to the typical Christian or Muslim mind. Thing is, I don't submit to the Christian's or Muslim's version of this source that they call God. Nor do I accept the entire bible. I'm spiritually based and don't accept anything concerning my soul/spirit without question. I may as well put my life in the hands of man by doing so.
If all it took was God to reveal itself to us, then we would ALL have the same vision of God. Therefore, the revelation of being revealed is soley based on what we percieve the revelation to be. We create the illusion that presents itself neither right nor wrong, but rather a personal experience. We can only create, percieve, and visualize what has already been programmed inside us. You are only subject to your perception. It is man who creates the conditions to support his perception (heaven, hell ect.,)
The inner divine is not in a book. It has no rules, no conditions. It just is and it works through every man. People read the bible, take it literally, and start looking for God outside themselves and that's where they fail because they start to look for a heaven (happiness) when they die rather than while they are living.
I feel for you because I know how it felt when I began a journey/path to knowledge of self....consciousness if you will. Anyone that thinks Jesus is the one and only way, Buddah is the one and only way, Allah is the one and only way....and so forth have no clue as to how the divine operates. I will admit that I don't know everything...not even close. By the same token, it was revealed to me years ago that this omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient force that brings all life can't be confined to one sect of people and their teachings. You have to overstand that at the end of the day, when you lay your head on your pillow to drift and experience the "dream" world, you calling yourself a Christian, Muslim or whatever does not matter. The very essence of who you are is what matters.
You are energy....you are love....you are life...you are a drop from the ocean....you are a part of this eternal being. You were and are all of these things before Jesus, Christianity, any other religion or savior ever came to be.
A word of advice...peep the message and not the person bringing the message. This is why I as a free-spirited person can learn from anyone. Christians are so caught up in "Jesus" and miss most of his teachings. Anyone is capable of coming into Christ consciousness. And he said so in so many words in your bible. Your bible is not perfect and holy, but yet a useful tool. You can believe what you want...just know that it becomes a problem when it is claimed to be absolute truth.
IRAN iz Gangsta!:
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 11:31:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on December 19, 2006, 11:17:42 PM ---Yea your initial assumptions are from christian teachings....There is no such thing as we're sinned forever cuz of adam&eve and how can christ be born without a father. Its ridiculous to believe such a thing, thats why christianity is not a logical religion
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This is where you lose my friend, because this is not an assumption and I know for a fact that Muslims believe this and not Christians. Muslims believe that Christ was born with out a father, Christians believe God was the father.. And The Old Testament is flawless, this is where the Adam and Eve story comes from. Most Muslims have a problem with the New Testament, I've watched many debates where they've stated this. And for all I know Mohammed was a false prophet, how we know he just didn't copy shit from the Bible and made all that other shit up?
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Ok obviously you didn't read my post all the way. Mohammad was illeterate and couldn't have narrated the best ever written book. HOw is that possible?
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