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How terrorists are made...Are you disgusted?
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on March 14, 2007, 12:08:41 PM ---Israel has enough military power to afford not making people sacrifice their lives for 72 virgins. This being said, it requires that it's IDF servicemen "fight and conduct themselves with courage in the face of all dangers and obstacles; They will persevere in their missions resolutely and thoughtfully even to the point of endangering their lives."
Tenacity of Purpose in Performing Missions and Drive to Victory,The IDF Spirit (Ethics Doctrine):
http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=32
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So why did you serve them?...
virtuoso:
Sure you can blame some crazy muslims and of course there muslims with genuine unadulterated hate for jews but you should also be aware of the on ongoing effect that the israeli powers stance on the situation. Here is another example of collective punishment, whenever the british army were attacked they would identify who the suspects might be and identify the area in which those people came from. However when they entered the village they would not simply detain the suspects they would round up everyone in the village at gunpoint roughly, rabndomnly beating people up and generally ptting the fear of god into people. The justification for the actions being taken was that you have to rule people with an iron fist, however when the military have occupied an area with this type of mindset, it has only furthered the retaliatory actions. Exactly the same tactics are being undertaken in Gaza, in the west bank.
The notion that this is not collective punishment is smashed to pieces by the damning words of the prime minister of Israeli Olmert who declared that "we will bomb Gaza back to the stone age". This is an open declaration that Gaza was to indiscriminately destroyed and turned to rubble. How you can compartmentalise this and then offer the dismissive line of, this has nothing to with the ongoing killing of jews, is really beyond me. You view what you want to view, it's cognitive dissonance through many years of ignorance and indoctrination, perhaps it's both I really don't know.
virtuoso:
By the way I don't hold a hatred for those serving in the IDF, they are no better or worse than than the Brits, the American soldiers etc who have been issued with an order, their role is not to question that order, only to see that order through. Plus the IDF are mostly made of conscripts anyway, so in a sense I have more sympathy for the conscripts than I do for most regular serving armies.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 14, 2007, 12:13:17 PM ---So why did you serve them?...
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2 reasons:
1.Family being forced to immigrate to Israel (instead of to the U.S) in the late 80's because of deals the Jewish Agency made on behalf of the "Jewish Demographic Interest in Israel".
2.Israeli Law.
J @ M @ L:
1. Just because you can't refute my arguments, doesn't mean it's a bunch of pointless shit. I brought the things up because you oversimplify the whole thing, and are basically saying "Look at this video! This video explains it all. We don't need to look at the underlying root causes of the problem". That's dumb.
2. You can't justify displacing a population, killing them, taking their land, illegally occupying the land they have left to keep, building barriers to steal more land and resources, etc... just because Jews needed a homeland. There's no way to justify Israel's atrocities based on that argument. There's also no way to justify them displacing the population and creating their own "Jewish state" to begin with.
3. "I believe Israelis are a bit more civil than that" So Israelis are civilized, and Palestinians aren't. That's good to know man. You're so rational, you might as well be speaking in one of those videos yourself.
4. "I don't give a fuck if 100 Jews raped that girls dad, it's still not okay, no matter what". You're irrational.
5. "Your dumb ass wants to actually believe that the Jews dont want peace and are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it." They don't want peace... they want peace on their conditions. And yes, they are bulldozing homes for the fuck of it.
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