Can't we platnify ourselves?

[Tanjential]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

[J$crILLa]

im not in cali, but i like the cali based music so id be coppin more shit probaly

[d-nice]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

[Tanjential]

im not in cali, but i like the cali based music so id be coppin more shit probaly

+1. you're a quick ass reader.

yeah, that's exactly the point. if it's hot it's hot, and other regions will cop it.

the chronic, doggystyle...shit even 2001, were WESTED the fuck OUT. did that stop anyone from buying them? NOPE.it wasn't the genre, it was the catchiness, the quality.

-T

[Tanjential]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

[d-nice]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

[Tanjential]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

[d-nice]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

For example, people complain every Snoop album about guests appearances. Do people really realize how many people Snoop has worked with? If he worked with everyone we want he might as well put out a compilation instead. We don't allow growth and we don't allow change. It's a lose lose with most people.

But you come back in a few months and the same people actually listen to the album and love it. Dre did not want to work with Snoop until his Aftermath album flopped. Once he realized people still liked their music together did he do it. Snoop it the meantime ain't gonna wait hand and foot on Dre so he found new producers. And that is why Snoop is not afraid to try new things, whether people like it or not. He ain't waiting on Dre to get shit done, you see what waiting has done for the career of many artists on Aftermath. Try to have a open ear to some new shit. That is what people need to try to do.

[d-nice]

Crooked I not coming out back in the day was a real letdown for the west. He was lyrical, new and used different producers then any of his peers. It was a new sound. I don't know if west coast fans will embrace a new dope sound from a new producer at this point. Game does not count to me because of the Dre influence. We will support a Dr. Dre endorsed artist still to this day. If he actually puts them out.

[Fuck Your Existence]

If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

lol,preach. +1

Also you have to think about who these artists are tryin to market theyre product to.. 14-21 yr old or so suburbanites who cant get enough of shit like "Magic Stick", "Tipsy". They are the ones that account for the majority of sales and push these artists to platinum status. Thats where the questionable guests appearances,producers come in.

[Tanjential]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

For example, people complain every Snoop album about guests appearances. Do people really realize how many people Snoop has worked with? If he worked with everyone we want he might as well put out a compilation instead. We don't allow growth and we don't allow change. It's a lose lose with most people.

But you come back in a few months and the same people actually listen to the album and love it. Dre did not want to work with Snoop until his Aftermath album flopped. Once he realized people still liked their music together did he do it. Snoop it the meantime ain't gonna wait hand and foot on Dre so he found new producers. And that is why Snoop is not afraid to try new things, whether people like it or not. He ain't waiting on Dre to get shit done, you see what waiting has done for the career of many artists on Aftermath. Try to have a open ear to some new shit. That is what people need to try to do.

the aftermath album went platinum for one thing. i don't think that was as much of a dissappointment as say the firm (frankly, they acted like it was a nas/dre album and if it was it woulda done multi plat, but fuckin fox brown had more dre production than nas on that bitch. once the streets heard it, there was only the million cats who didn't know that yet/wanted as much dre/nas as they could get anyway that copped it) going only platinum.

anyway, I think dre would have worked with snoop again anyway. he just needed to do other stuff as well. didn't they do 'zoom' like in 96?

but otherwise yeah i feel you.

fuckin' crooked. frankly that was DR's fault.

I think crooked is waiting for detox to shine the light on the west coast again, he was on DR when 2001 came out. 'say dr.dre' implies that crooked may be on detox. if this is so, he can pull a SIAM or a restless or whatever and ride on dre's coattails for a Gold plaque.

-T

[d-nice]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

For example, people complain every Snoop album about guests appearances. Do people really realize how many people Snoop has worked with? If he worked with everyone we want he might as well put out a compilation instead. We don't allow growth and we don't allow change. It's a lose lose with most people.

But you come back in a few months and the same people actually listen to the album and love it. Dre did not want to work with Snoop until his Aftermath album flopped. Once he realized people still liked their music together did he do it. Snoop it the meantime ain't gonna wait hand and foot on Dre so he found new producers. And that is why Snoop is not afraid to try new things, whether people like it or not. He ain't waiting on Dre to get shit done, you see what waiting has done for the career of many artists on Aftermath. Try to have a open ear to some new shit. That is what people need to try to do.

the aftermath album went platinum for one thing. i don't think that was as much of a dissappointment as say the firm (frankly, they acted like it was a nas/dre album and if it was it woulda done multi plat, but fuckin fox brown had more dre production than nas on that bitch. once the streets heard it, there was only the million cats who didn't know that yet/wanted as much dre/nas as they could get anyway that copped it) going only platinum.

anyway, I think dre would have worked with snoop again anyway. he just needed to do other stuff as well. didn't they do 'zoom' like in 96?

but otherwise yeah i feel you.

fuckin' crooked. frankly that was DR's fault.

I think crooked is waiting for detox to shine the light on the west coast again, he was on DR when 2001 came out. 'say dr.dre' implies that crooked may be on detox. if this is so, he can pull a SIAM or a restless or whatever and ride on dre's coattails for a Gold plaque.

-T

IMO the reason the Firm did not sell is because it was too mainstream sounding at the time an it felt more like a compilation with all the guests. Excluding Dre's stuff, they were on that Mafioso shit a little too much. That is why Nas lost so many fans, he went from Nasty Nas to Nas Escobar. Dre's style really did not mesh well with the direction they were going.

Dre cut all ties from anyone connected with Death Row, and it was at the height of DPGC. So yeah the average fan wants to hear Snoop hook back up with Dre on another Chronic. He could not do it any other way than that way. But now the problem is we don't have another Dr. Dre like producer. We have a bunch of dope ones, but people still constantly compare them to Dre. Fred Wreck has gotten some shine and Battlecat as well but not the shine they deserve. So the impression to most is Dre has to be on a west coast album for it to blow up and those expections are unfair. 

[d-nice]

The last artist to really have a chance to make a big time for himself was Daz after Dre left. With his work on All Eyez, Doggfather and Gang Related he was in a position to be a big name producer out west but we know how that ended up. Other than that, maybe Will I Am right now, he is doing it big right now on a mainstream level. But we need some dope rappers and producers to get some mainstream exposure other than the usual suspects.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

[$Eg2$]

Crooked I not coming out back in the day was a real letdown for the west. He was lyrical, new and used different producers then any of his peers. It was a new sound. I don't know if west coast fans will embrace a new dope sound from a new producer at this point. Game does not count to me because of the Dre influence. We will support a Dr. Dre endorsed artist still to this day. If he actually puts them out.

+1 D Nice good point