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If im not mistaken when the treay of Versailles was reached President Wilson was opposed to the harsh treatments Germany was given after World War 1 but he was overruled by the English and French. The English people wanted the extreme penalties and so did the French. While English Prime Minister David Lloyd George wanted to be more cautious about it he ended up bending his will to the people. The French felt much the same and so did there Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau. So if anyone is to blame it is the English and the French given the were in the greatest position to allow leniency, but they chose to be vindictive.
Quote from: Shallow on June 05, 2007, 08:19:27 PMWhether or not Germany and the Ottoman Empire would run the world. No bomb, no USA world power. Bomb, no Germany world power.Well......... even if America had a bomb it doesn't mean they would have immediately went and bombed Germany and the Ottoman Empire into destruciton.. also, Germany and Ottoman Empire would have became rich after WW1 from oil wealth so they would have had more capital for research into making and biulding nukes.
Whether or not Germany and the Ottoman Empire would run the world. No bomb, no USA world power. Bomb, no Germany world power.
However, I believe this was part of a larger plan, and their were historical documents to back this up, but I will mention only a couple of items here. Basically, the British had ruled over places such as the Indian subcontinent for a long time. And they were afraid if they dethroned the Islamic world leader (Kalifah) then the Indian Muslims might rebel against the Empire. So they went about achieving the same objective but in a more covert way.
then what happened in india?muslims formed "the muslim league"muslims marched in the night and persecuted and attacked the peaceful Buddhist and Hindu indians alike.. they'd lock themselves in their homes to secure them from the muslim mobs.and ultimately forced segregation and the formation of Pakistan. those that didn't leave the places where their families had dwelled for 1000s of years and move to "safe" areas (which became india) were either killed or came to englandgenocidal land grabbing dirty muslim bastards!
ok some quick facts..the germans couldnt cross the channel because the english navy has been one of the strongest naval forces to exist on this planet.. we live on an island.. to leave and conquer 4/5ths of the world we had to have an army on the seathe germans did mercilessly bomb the crap out of england.. but at first we had sound mirrors (for some cool pics see http://www.castlekas.freeserve.co.uk/sound_mirrors.htm) and later invented radar to detect the incoming threaty. other ingenius tactics were used... like.. they used to dark out towns.. but in hills/fields nearby they'd lay out lights so it looked like the town from above.. they'd bomb these "lit" fields..Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 06, 2007, 05:44:06 AMHowever, I believe this was part of a larger plan, and their were historical documents to back this up, but I will mention only a couple of items here. Basically, the British had ruled over places such as the Indian subcontinent for a long time. And they were afraid if they dethroned the Islamic world leader (Kalifah) then the Indian Muslims might rebel against the Empire. So they went about achieving the same objective but in a more covert way.then what happened in india?muslims formed "the muslim league"muslims marched in the night and persecuted and attacked the peaceful Buddhist and Hindu indians alike.. they'd lock themselves in their homes to secure them from the muslim mobs.and ultimately forced segregation and the formation of Pakistan. those that didn't leave the places where their families had dwelled for 1000s of years and move to "safe" areas (which became india) were either killed or came to englandgenocidal land grabbing dirty muslim bastards!
Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 05, 2007, 03:18:11 AMQuote from: Chief on June 05, 2007, 01:19:42 AMThat would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germanyand thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge. Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2. Yeah, but it wasn't America who was treating Germany like shit. The USSR had more losses on the battlefield, so they were awarded with more land and power over Germany. They were the ones who tore it up. Just like at the end of WWII as well.
Quote from: Chief on June 05, 2007, 01:19:42 AMThat would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germanyand thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge. Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2.
That would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germanyand thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge.
Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 05, 2007, 07:53:42 PMQuote from: Shallow on June 05, 2007, 07:35:37 PMThat all depends on whether the US got the bomb or not when it did. It would have easily taken out Germany and the Middle East in the 40s when only the US had nukes. Don't forget about the USSR as well.What depends?Whether or not Germany and the Ottoman Empire would run the world. No bomb, no USA world power. Bomb, no Germany world power.
Quote from: Shallow on June 05, 2007, 07:35:37 PMThat all depends on whether the US got the bomb or not when it did. It would have easily taken out Germany and the Middle East in the 40s when only the US had nukes. Don't forget about the USSR as well.What depends?
That all depends on whether the US got the bomb or not when it did. It would have easily taken out Germany and the Middle East in the 40s when only the US had nukes. Don't forget about the USSR as well.
quick question infinite......hitler or bush? who would you prefer?
Germany's scientists were far superior to US scientists back then, the only reason how the US could get that bomb was because Germany's politics in the late 30s/40s was so retarded that all the smart cats, and partly jewish cats were like "Fuck this, lets help the 'enemy'" If Germany had not lost World War 1, no bomb for the US, and no Hitler. You can trust that.
7, are you German?If so, I'm curious to hear a perspective from the Germans about why they lost WW1, and also, how the Ottoman Empire is presented in today's German textbooks and whether the German's are bitter to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it ultimately wasn't enough) or grateful to the Ottomans for their aide in WW1 (because it was Germany that encouraged them in the first place).
Quote from: Low Key on June 05, 2007, 08:08:57 PMQuote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 05, 2007, 03:18:11 AMQuote from: Chief on June 05, 2007, 01:19:42 AMThat would mean though that the Muslims would be ruling the world now too along with Germanyand thank god everything happens for a reason then huh?i cant believe you think it would be a good thing for hitler to be in charge. Let me clarify one major point you might have missed.... I was talking about Kaiser Wilhelm (not HITLER) and World War 1 when I was talking about Germany and the Islamic Ottoman Empire almost winning the war and becoming the 20th century world superpowers. So ofcourse, now my second point would be that the harsh reperations and treatment Germany was forced to endure after World War 1 is what ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and World War 2. Yeah, but it wasn't America who was treating Germany like shit. The USSR had more losses on the battlefield, so they were awarded with more land and power over Germany. They were the ones who tore it up. Just like at the end of WWII as well.America didn't make Germany mad, but they gave other countries the opportunity to make Germany really, REALLY mad. And that's why Hitler could happen. No disrespect to France but that treaty of Versailles just took it too far.
Quote from: 7even on June 06, 2007, 08:08:14 AMGermany's scientists were far superior to US scientists back then, the only reason how the US could get that bomb was because Germany's politics in the late 30s/40s was so retarded that all the smart cats, and partly jewish cats were like "Fuck this, lets help the 'enemy'" If Germany had not lost World War 1, no bomb for the US, and no Hitler. You can trust that.Einstien was a Jew. So that supports your theory.