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Drug use is a victim less crime.
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
Infinite, we know you have jumped on the whole libertarian shit... and your whole argument is revolving around that... but it is foolish to assume that such policies in this context, under these conditions, would be successful.... like Tech said, Afghanistan (especially in its current condition) is a whole 'nother ball game.
Youre confusing the war on drugs in America with Afghanistan. In America, the war on drugs is different, because the American is the consumer. You cannot stop consumption. In Afghanistan, the Afghan is the producer. You CAN stop production.See producing drugs is not victim less, because you create a black market economy that under mines the regular economy, you create drug kingpins and warlords that reduce the power of the govt to work effeciently, this leads to fragmentation of the country, the breakdown of the rule of law, and authority. which is the last thing Afghanistan needs right now.As for the poppy ban, it ended precisely because the Taliban enforced it by rule of gun. it had nothing to do with islamic virtue. the taliban allowed the practise for years before they realized it wasnt in the nations best interest (they were seeking intl recognition). they even issued a fatwa saying it was okay to produce opium because it was kuffar that was consuming it . why do you think the people were willing to follow it? cuz they had no choice
Quote from: J @ M @ L on August 20, 2007, 10:49:59 PMInfinite, we know you have jumped on the whole libertarian shit... and your whole argument is revolving around that... but it is foolish to assume that such policies in this context, under these conditions, would be successful.... like Tech said, Afghanistan (especially in its current condition) is a whole 'nother ball game.Yes, I'm sure Jamal that if your solutions for Afghanistan were agreed upon by a government in power that they would be able to execute those plans efficiently and Afghans would live happily ever after.
Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on August 20, 2007, 10:41:56 PMYoure confusing the war on drugs in America with Afghanistan. In America, the war on drugs is different, because the American is the consumer. You cannot stop consumption. In Afghanistan, the Afghan is the producer. You CAN stop production.See producing drugs is not victim less, because you create a black market economy that under mines the regular economy, you create drug kingpins and warlords that reduce the power of the govt to work effeciently, this leads to fragmentation of the country, the breakdown of the rule of law, and authority. which is the last thing Afghanistan needs right now.As for the poppy ban, it ended precisely because the Taliban enforced it by rule of gun. it had nothing to do with islamic virtue. the taliban allowed the practise for years before they realized it wasnt in the nations best interest (they were seeking intl recognition). they even issued a fatwa saying it was okay to produce opium because it was kuffar that was consuming it . why do you think the people were willing to follow it? cuz they had no choiceLegal drug trade in the private sector of Afghanistan does not undermine the government anymore that legal sales of coffee would, or legal sales of natural gas. Or anything that is privatized, owned, and ran outside of the governments bureaucracy.As far as the Taliban, they clearly ran a more efficient government than Karzai is running. Because the country had greater security, and they were able to enforce a ban on poppy where Karzia could not and is totally ineffective. So, now why do you think that is? Could it possibly be that the Taliban represented something that the people respected more than a puppet administration ran by the United States?But again, my drug trade argument and my Taliban argument are separate topics. So let me re-state my positions clearly.On The TalibanI'm basically saying that outside influences need to GET OUT of Afghanistan all together, and let the people work out for themselves what kind of government they want, and if they want the Taliban in power, then that is their prerogative; it is not for King Bush to decide who is the good guy and who is the bad guy.On The Drug TradeMy drug trade argument was that drugs are a victim less crime, the whole industry should be privatized and government should stay out of it. That goes for any country. A war on drugs only fills prisons with non-violent drug offenders and causes the trade to go out of the hands of businessmen, and into the hands of gangsters/warlords/Mafia's.
they were able to enforce a ban on poppy where Karzia could not and is totally ineffective.