Anybody else agree that "East/West Coast Killaz" is Dre's greatest song?

[TraceOneInfinite]

Dre had 1 track with east coast artists. The rest of that compilation had his own artists.

Wasn't Shareef from the East Coast (Philly)?

[d-nice]

Dre had 1 track with east coast artists. The rest of that compilation had his own artists.

Wasn't Shareef from the East Coast (Philly)?

Might have been but that compilation IMO was marketed more as Dre showcasing his new talent. the east/west track had more mainstream artists on it to show unity, but from what I remember about that compilation it was a majority of west coast acts.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Might have been but that compilation IMO was marketed more as Dre showcasing his new talent. the east/west track had more mainstream artists on it to show unity, but from what I remember about that compilation it was a majority of west coast acts.

If you listen to the intro to the album, and really throughout the album, you'll here talk about "This is for those that's trying to split the coasts".  And the album was advertised as "We Don't Set Trip, We Set Trends".  The theme was that they ain't tripping about coasts anymore, they were just trying to get together and make great music.

[d-nice]

Might have been but that compilation IMO was marketed more as Dre showcasing his new talent. the east/west track had more mainstream artists on it to show unity, but from what I remember about that compilation it was a majority of west coast acts.

If you listen to the intro to the album, and really throughout the album, you'll here talk about "This is for those that's trying to split the coasts".  And the album was advertised as "We Don't Set Trip, We Set Trends".  The theme was that they ain't tripping about coasts anymore, they were just trying to get together and make great music.

True that. The song did alot to bridge the gap.

[acgrundy]

music wise, it was not revolutionary.  Gangsta rap is the only genre of music where the artists give a shit where other artists are from.  There is thousands of bands around the world composing of people from different sides of the country.  Mixing rap w/ rock is more revolutionary than bringing rappers together from different sides of the country.

[TraceOneInfinite]

.. Well.. this thread dropped to the 2nd page, so I just wanted to up it one more time and say that in conclusion, it looks like I'm the only one who thinks it is his best work.

[jeromechickenbone]

You have a good arguement.  I think if the song blew up to levels of "G Thang" or "Dre Day", you'd have a very valid arguement.   But you're absolutely right that it was a very pivotal moment at that time. 

And sure, Pac had his 1 Nation thing going on, but Pac + BCC (which was never released, and BCC was not THAT well known at that time) doesn't touch Dre, Nas, KRS, B-Real, RBX at that point in time.  1 Nation could have been huge but the fact is that it didn't see the light of day.  And the Soul Assassins stuff didn't garner that much attention. 

East Coast / West Coast Killaz was a great statement that needed to be made at the time.  But it also came at a time when Dre was really trying to find his niche in the game again.  He was hell bent at separating himself from his Death Row sound, saying gangsta rap is dead, fuckin w/ R&B a llittle bit, talking about doing "ghetto metal", doing the tango in his videos, launching a new label, etc.  And the Aftermath Compilation was largely viewed as flop for Dre standards at the time.  How many of those artists remained w/ him after that dropped?  So while ECWCK was a great track Dre hadn't quite mastered his new sound and while the song was gettin steady rotation, people weren't going bananas for it across the board. 

So I'll have to disagree, but a very important song at that time.

[Darksider]

nah def not..it was a dope track though..but to hear krs, nas, breal and rbx on the same song was kinda weird

[TraceOneInfinite]

You have a good arguement.  I think if the song blew up to levels of "G Thang" or "Dre Day", you'd have a very valid arguement.   But you're absolutely right that it was a very pivotal moment at that time. 

And sure, Pac had his 1 Nation thing going on, but Pac + BCC (which was never released, and BCC was not THAT well known at that time) doesn't touch Dre, Nas, KRS, B-Real, RBX at that point in time.  1 Nation could have been huge but the fact is that it didn't see the light of day.  And the Soul Assassins stuff didn't garner that much attention. 

East Coast / West Coast Killaz was a great statement that needed to be made at the time.  But it also came at a time when Dre was really trying to find his niche in the game again.  He was hell bent at separating himself from his Death Row sound, saying gangsta rap is dead, fuckin w/ R&B a llittle bit, talking about doing "ghetto metal", doing the tango in his videos, launching a new label, etc.  And the Aftermath Compilation was largely viewed as flop for Dre standards at the time.  How many of those artists remained w/ him after that dropped?  So while ECWCK was a great track Dre hadn't quite mastered his new sound and while the song was gettin steady rotation, people weren't going bananas for it across the board. 

So I'll have to disagree, but a very important song at that time.

nice post. props

[d-nice]

You have a good arguement.  I think if the song blew up to levels of "G Thang" or "Dre Day", you'd have a very valid arguement.   But you're absolutely right that it was a very pivotal moment at that time. 

And sure, Pac had his 1 Nation thing going on, but Pac + BCC (which was never released, and BCC was not THAT well known at that time) doesn't touch Dre, Nas, KRS, B-Real, RBX at that point in time.  1 Nation could have been huge but the fact is that it didn't see the light of day.  And the Soul Assassins stuff didn't garner that much attention. 

East Coast / West Coast Killaz was a great statement that needed to be made at the time.  But it also came at a time when Dre was really trying to find his niche in the game again.  He was hell bent at separating himself from his Death Row sound, saying gangsta rap is dead, fuckin w/ R&B a llittle bit, talking about doing "ghetto metal", doing the tango in his videos, launching a new label, etc.  And the Aftermath Compilation was largely viewed as flop for Dre standards at the time.  How many of those artists remained w/ him after that dropped?  So while ECWCK was a great track Dre hadn't quite mastered his new sound and while the song was gettin steady rotation, people weren't going bananas for it across the board. 

So I'll have to disagree, but a very important song at that time.

the track itself is a more mainstream collabo with east/west but my point was that just music wise you had other artists like Cypress Hill that was always down with the East Coast and working with them at the time. Same with The Liks. Of course you can't match a track with KRS, Nas, B-Real and RBX but collabos were still happening during the east/west "beef".

[Soopa2Fly]

There never was a west / east beef, that was all media bullshit. There were two big issues at the time, Suge was pissed with Puffy for his buddy getting killed at a party which he thought it was Puffys people and then started the Source Awards beef, and then there was Pac and Biggie.

Both coasts had always worked with each other including Death Row artists.. DPG worked with Redman, Method Man, Lost Boyz, and Nas. All big east coast artists.

People who tried to make an east / west war were riding the media for some attention.

[RAIDErs of the lost ark]

There never was a west / east beef, that was all media bullshit. There were two big issues at the time, Suge was pissed with Puffy for his buddy getting killed at a party which he thought it was Puffys people and then started the Source Awards beef, and then there was Pac and Biggie.

People who tried to make an east / west war were riding the media for some attention.

Never a beef???
As far as I care,the Death Row and Bad Boy beef have little or nothing to do with this. That was personal and the media made it to a coastal thing.
The "beef" is with the NYC critics and Radio.
West Connection made this clear on their record,the biased ass Source magazine only have 9 West Coast albums on their classics list.
At the time The Source was the Hip Hop bible,so you could say they was a big part in making a album a success or not.

The Source's 5 Mic Albums
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_(magazine)#The_Source.27s_5_Mic_Albums.07UNIQ928a2c4699020ea-nowiki-00000004-QINU.071.07UNIQ928a2c4699020ea-nowiki-00000005-QINU.07

The "Record Report" is special feature in the publication. Journalists would judge albums by "mics". The Source "mics" are the equivalent to a star rating. The publication uses a rating system from one to "five mics." An album that is rated at four-and-a-half or five "mics" is considered by The Source to be a superior hip hop album. The avatar used to rate the albums The Source reviews is a hand gripping a microphone. The original albums granted the coveted 5 Mics award were Ice Cube "AmeriKKKas Most Wanted", Brand Nubian "One For All", A Tribe Called Quest "People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm", A Tribe Called Quest "The Low End Theory", Eric B and Rakim "Let The Rhythm Hit Em", De La Soul "De La Soul is Dead" and Nas "Illmatic". Over the first ten years or so of the magazine, the heralded "five mic" rating only applied to albums that were (and have held up over time to be) universally lauded hip hop albums. The complete list of 5 mic albums is below.


The Source's 5 Mic Albums

Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.

It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.

Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest
One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube

Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube

The Chronic by Dr. Dre

Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg

Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac

The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac

Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre

Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim



Thereīs only 9 west coast albums on that list
and 5 off them is produced by Dr.Dre.
Something is wrong........

If they can have that wak ass album on there,you know theyīre biased.
Whereīs Too Short,Above The Law,DJ Quik etc. ??
We should do a list of the West Coast albums that should be on the classics list,then do a pool in the end and e-mail The Source the results.
So what West Coast albums is missing from their "classics" list?








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I could be wrong because I stopped reading the Source after '93 and I know
they did an article revising some past ratings but that list from Wikipedia is laughable. The first ten albums listed came out before the Source even existed. I have all the issues up to '93 excluding the first two. I remember for a fact that The Ghetto Boys "Grip It" got like three and a half. A lot of those albums originally recieved four and a half or were not even reviewed at the time they came out. I just can't agree with a magazine going back and rewriting their own history, as they must have in a later issue. Otherwise Wikipedia has once again gotten the "facts" completely mixed up. They do more harm than help. But this argument/discussion is much needed so I'm glad I saw this thread.

they did an article revising some past ratings
I got The Source issue when they did it,wikipedia is on point this time.
They did it once and can do it again.
They should add 1/2-1 mic to every non east coast release and subtract 1/2-1 mic of every east coast release.

Tha

I could be wrong because I stopped reading the Source after '93 and I know
they did an article revising some past ratings but that list from Wikipedia is laughable. The first ten albums listed came out before the Source even existed. I have all the issues up to '93 excluding the first two. I remember for a fact that The Ghetto Boys "Grip It" got like three and a half. A lot of those albums originally recieved four and a half or were not even reviewed at the time they came out. I just can't agree with a magazine going back and rewriting their own history, as they must have in a later issue. Otherwise Wikipedia has once again gotten the "facts" completely mixed up. They do more harm than help. But this argument/discussion is much needed so I'm glad I saw this thread.

they did an article revising some past ratings
I got The Source issue when they did it,wikipedia is on point this time.
They did it once and can do it again.
They should add 1/2-1 mic to every non east coast release and subtract 1/2-1 mic of every east coast release.

That shit makes me laugh. I would agree with you about adding and subtracting mics and all but that would mean that what the Source says about an album matters in any way to me. Like I said I know they did that article, I just think it's wack of them to not at least stand behind their journalism (whether I think it's wrong or not) and try to rewrite it. I agree that there should be more west coast in that list (Mac Dre "Rapper Gone Bad, King Tee "Act a Fool", WC & the MAAD Circle, and many others for example) however in the long run I couldn't ever let a magazine tell me what to consider a classic, I'll let my own ears do that. And this is in no way an attack on your post, like I said I like the info, I just don't agree with it.

No stress,I donīt take offence. Itīs a message board,as long it is constructive,itīs all good.
The reason I brought this up was because of the thread is about the east vs west beef and I brought that "real" beef aint between the artists but the constant disrespect,non reckonition and appriciation of music coming from the west and south by the Hip Hop media(all or most of them based in NYC).
Yeah,they had to swallow their pride and give albums like The Chronic,Chronic 2001 and Doggystyle the classic stamp,the OG rating was 4,5,4,5 and 4.
They should swallow their pride again and add a couple more albums.

[Invincible]

LMAO at Lil' Kim having a 5 mic's album. Lil' Kim is wack.

[Styles1]

true.... i think they meant 5 cocks instead of mics... thats more of her style...lol.

[tha letter d]

I could be wrong because I stopped reading the Source after '93 and I know they did an article revising some past ratings but that list from Wikipedia is laughable. The first ten albums listed came out before the Source even existed. I have all the issues up to '93 excluding the first two. I remember for a fact that The Ghetto Boys "Grip It" got like three and a half. A lot of those albums originally recieved four and a half or were not even reviewed at the time they came out. I just can't agree with a magazine going back and rewriting their own history, as they must have in a later issue. Otherwise Wikipedia has once again gotten the "facts" completely mixed up. They do more harm than help. But this argument/discussion is much needed so I'm glad I saw this thread.