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I cant cosign RON PAUL because...
Shallow:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 01, 2007, 07:20:33 AM ---Shallow I respect most of your postings but on this one your point is based around a glaring inaccuracy. After the presidential results which resulted in Bush supposedly beating Al Gore, it was revealed that in fact Al Gore did win the election but through some blatant fraud, manipulation and Al Gore deciding to be the fall guy, Bush won. Secondly your argument is based around this notion that the democrats and the republicans are genuinely seperate, when in fact Murdoch has been thoroughly supportive of Hilary Clinton and Roger Aisles is the man who is advising her. Here is where the media cast official left and right paradigm is shattered, not just shattered but officially shattered. In fact this only acts as confirmation as what most people who are not so deeply entrenched in camps have realised already. They just wear a different jersey their policies and ideology are practically indistinguishable on the major issues. I think the likelihood is this, his popularity is growing exponentially, there is a deep growing awareness of him and therefore I don't think it likely even remotely possible
to even contemplate him being killed, it would be too obvious. The most likely scenario is they will cheat him by fixing the election results yet again, however that in itself would also be a positive if in the mean time Ron Paul's popularity keeps soaring because then people will consciously wake up to the fact that he has been cheated. It's the issues which he has raised to the public's consciousness that will matter more in the long term than if he gets screwed in this election. I recall Tucker Carlson even asking him how he intends to establish his policies if elected when both parties are consumed with neocon ideology.
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We don't actually disagree on anything here. I know Gore really won but it was very close. Close enough to make it seem like he lost. I don't think that would have been possible if Nader never entered.
With Hillary, I agree. I've often said you've had the same president since Bush Sr took office in 88. There's no difference between Bush Sr, Clinton, or Bush Jr. You can throw Hillary, Kerry and Gore in that same group. No matter who was in charge I still believe the US would be spending through the nose, there'd still be a mess in the middle east whether they would have invaded Iraq with Bush or Gore may have played the peace card to get into Sudan or just found a differnt angle to get into Iraq (and may be even waste more money than Bush spending money on carbon machines). Kerry would have found some reason to keep the troops in Iraq and Hillary isn't even lying about it any more. She has no pans to pull troops, and certainly no plans to cut spending in other areas.
As for Paul, while I'd love to see him win, I just don't have the faith in the American people. I'm a big fan of the brain of Dick Nixon and once when he was asked to sum up the American population in one word he chose the word "stupidity". I believe he was right. I believe that there are too many Americans that a) think the US will be under constant attack and Al Qaida will grow exponentially if troops are pulled from Iraq, or b) think that once the US leaves the place will crumble and everyone will die in a genocide. The As will vote Guiliani and the Bs will vote Hillary. I don't think there are enough sane people to left for Paul. I really hope I'm wrong though.
Machiavelli:
you understand that if he runs indepenedent hes gunna get alot of votes from republicans making their candiate loose.
which in turn would make hillary clinton as president. ::)
jeromechickenbone:
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on December 02, 2007, 05:56:17 PM ---you understand that if he runs indepenedent hes gunna get alot of votes from republicans making their candiate loose.
which in turn would make hillary clinton as president. ::)
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If Paul doesn't get the GOP nom, then no one in the GOP is going to be the next president regardless if Paul goes indie or not.
Paul appeals to SOME dems as well. People from nearly every front can relate to parts of his platform. So if he goes indie, he'll jack some votes from Hillary or Obama for sure.
Dubz:
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on December 02, 2007, 05:56:17 PM ---you understand that if he runs indepenedent hes gunna get alot of votes from republicans making their candiate loose.
which in turn would make hillary clinton as president. ::)
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ill take hillary over john mccain or rudy giuliani any day of the week.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Dubz on December 02, 2007, 08:30:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on December 02, 2007, 05:56:17 PM ---you understand that if he runs indepenedent hes gunna get alot of votes from republicans making their candiate loose.
which in turn would make hillary clinton as president. ::)
--- End quote ---
ill take hillary over john mccain or rudy giuliani any day of the week.
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McCain I wouldn't mind as much but anyone that thinks there is going to be one single difference between a Hillary or Guiliani presidency is fooling themselves. Paul has the best chance of winning as an Indy by running against those two bone heads. He'll get a lot of the conservative and the peace-nik vote.
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