According to soundscan figures "E.eternal 1999"...

[ImmortalOne]

Speaking of Art Of War, thats another album I plan to write a review on here shortly, along with several other albums.....

[Don Jacob]

how was creepin' influential it sounded just like any other eazy e project at the time (which is not a bad thing)  it usedALOT from the new gangsta cliches and trends that were going on at the time


and art of war and family scriptures are no where near classic material and i'd give creepin' a solid 4 but not no 5  if that's the case i mean xzibit's 40 dayz and 40 nightz is a classic too...good album but not no classic and 40 dayz is better than creepin too i know it's your opinion but this is my opinion

[Don Jacob]

wu tang:

Enter the wu tang: 5+ mics
Wu Tang Forever: 4 mics
the w: 3 mics

bone thugs:

faces of darkness:3 mics
creepin': 4 mics
e. 1999: 4.75 (sorry i can't stand shorts and losses)
art of war: 2.5
bone thugs resurection: 3

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Check this....



Faces of Death Vs. 36 Chambers = 36 Chambers KILLS Faces of Death by far

Creepin on a Come Up EP (EP's don't count)

E 1999 Vs. Wu-Chronicles = Even though Wu-Chronicles is a compilation, it can still be counted as a Wu album, but E 1999 is MUCH better

Art of War Vs Wu-Forever = Wu-Forever wins, but not by much....

Ressurection Vs. The W = Ressurection is slightly better, both albums were whack...



Score:

Bone: 2
Wu: 2

[ImmortalOne]

how was creepin' influential it sounded just like any other eazy e project at the time (which is not a bad thing)  it usedALOT from the new gangsta cliches and trends that were going on at the time


and art of war and family scriptures are no where near classic material and i'd give creepin' a solid 4 but not no 5  if that's the case i mean xzibit's 40 dayz and 40 nightz is a classic too...good album but not no classic and 40 dayz is better than creepin too i know it's your opinion but this is my opinion

How was Creepin influential?? Well lets see. Midwest hip hop has absolutly NO light at the time. It was all east coast, west coast, or south shit at the time. However, all the sudden, here are these 5 young cats out of Cleveland who bring a completely new formula. Creepin [and Eternal] both put midwest hip hop on the map. If it werent for Creepin, midwest hip hop might still be underground today. 40 Dayz/40 Night is not better than Creepin, and I think I can safely say thats a general consensus.

"Family Scriptures and Art Of War are not classics"

EVERYTHING Bone did 97' and earlier is classic.

[DPGC2001]

Art of War is far from a classic, I'd give it a solid 4 mics though....Creepin is more like an EP than an album so I can't give it a classic rating, maybe if it had 4 or 5 more joints on it...

[ImmortalOne]

EP's can be classic too. Eazy E's EP {Its On Dr. Dre 187um killa] is an EP, and thats also a classic.

Art Of War is DEFINATLY a classic in my opinion. The album concept was ingenius [if you dont know what the concept is, look at the message on the weapons page in the booklet, located just above the swords], and ive heard very albums as diverse as this one. It has thugged out tracks, ballads, shit that make you think tracks, etc etc. Definatly a masterpiece of an album. DJ Uneek also dropped his most diverse production yet [though Eternal is still his musical masterpiece]. And for a double cd, there was very little filler. Disc 1 was almost flawless [9.5/10] and Disc 2 wasnt quite as strong but was still nice [8.5/10]. Plus, due to the good, but not great release of BTNHresurrrection, alot of Bone fans who used to hate the Art Of War, now love it. I was telling mothafuckaz back in 97' that this album was a classic, and peeps wouldnt believe me for nothing. Now, Resurrection comes out, and the SAME people who hated on Art Of War in 97' are now all over its nuts. I was telling them 4 years ago it was a classic, and JUST NOW mothafuckaz are startin to catch up......

[Don Jacob]

man about bone bringing light unto the midwest.....i mean really though man who else from cleavland or the midwest blew up besides bone during bone's hay day? no one until nelly came out like 6 years later...not to say i give nelly any props but nelly brought the midwest out more than bone did, bone had the mo thugs family but no one really gave a fuck about them...and i like them, ok but you look at rap city on tv and more people from like wisconsin and milwakee are gettin' props after nelly dropped

and for the record bone thugs might have repped cleavland but when they first came out they were considered west coast rap, they had all the stuff all the western rappers had, the gangsta look, g-funk production, and they might have had that singing part of their music and rapping fast and that whole dark side but that's just being slightly different  but it's hardly influential there's really no one who's been majorly influenced by that don't get me wrong bone use to be a tight group but i won't put them on the level of the wu tang clan or nwa and i won't put any of their stuff at classic status except maybe E. 1999... which they were more influenced than influencial....cuz they straight used alot of the same formulas as the chronic and doggystyle, and i can see ALOT of suggestive eazy-e and snoop influences in their raps (non-shulant and laid back) only they sped it up and sang


like i siad i ain't dissing bone at all but your just a HUGE fan and of CORSE your going to think their shit is classic

hey i'm a HUGE cube fan and i LOVE the war disc i dig every song on it but i ain't gonnna call it classic becuase that's just my bias

hey i'm a HUGE xzibit fan and i LOVE 40 days and 40 nights and i think at the speed of life is GREAT and i like it better than illmatic but i'm not going to put it above it becuase i know that's just my bias



here's another example The Godfather II is considered by many people, critics, and theatrical historians to be the best movie ever my cousin recognises it's greatness and thinks it's a good movie and knows it's a classic  but he loves that cable guy....which is his favorite movie of all time, now the cable guy is  FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR from classic but it's his personal taste  and that would be stupid to go into a movie chat and put it up there against classic movies like Gone with the wind and Raging Bull

just like it's silly to put creepin..art of war and any other bone album besides E. 1999 eternal, at classic status and with the likes of TRUE  classic like


The Chronic
It takes a nation of million to hold us back
illmatic
Doggystyle
Straight Outta Compton
the great adventures of slick rick
raising hell
enter the wu

[ImmortalOne]

Nelly brought the midwest out more than Bone did??

Im sorry, but thats just an absurd comment. If it werent for the likes of Creepin on Ah Come Up and E.1999 Eternal, where would Nelly be?? Nowhere. Nelly maybe the "in" thing right now, but do you know how many "in" things Bone has seen in there 8 year career?? Quite a few, and I reckon Bone will still be here long after Nelly is. Fact is, Bone brought the heat in the midwest before Nelly did, therefore they should get the credit.

I aint gonna comment on the rest of the stuff you said, cuz this post would be way too long, but I dont agree with alot of it, thats all I can say.

[Don Jacob]

i hate nelly with a whole heart but when i was sittin back in 94-97 bone thugs might have been one of the first mid west groups to blow up but they were considered to be apart of the west coast trend of the time and they were but now when i look at nelly (who i'll remind you i hate) more people came up after him and nelly coming up has nothing to do with bone being from the mid west nelly's sound is more southern influenced if any thing and watching all these midwest acts coming now almost all of them have that kinda sound nelly has i don't see any of which that have a bone influence

bone's like too short , he was the first out from the west but he didn't put the west coast on the map that didn't happen til Ice T and NWA came out a few years later

and you might disagree with what i have to say but i'm basing my theories on facts and yours are mostly opinion, honestly dude i ain't tryin to cuase any animosity here i like bone but please don't take it that far they're not a wu tang clan, NWA, Public Enemy, Run DMC, Tribe called quest, or Outkast, you might be a huge fan and love all of their work but that doesn't mean the rap industry should hold them into big time status

was bone good yes

are they good now-they're aright they're last few group efforts have been dismal and the only solo album i really feel is Krazie Bones, that's just my opinion but when i check the reviews from rolling stone, the source, allmusic.com, and endless hip hop publications they pretty much feel the same

[ImmortalOne]

Magazine reviews dont mean much though, cuz they rate alot of bad albums good, and alot of good albums bad. I never trust a magazine review, especially from the Source [they lost all credibilty after they gave the Hot Boys 4.5 mics]. Would I rate Bone up there with Wu, Public Enemy, Tribe, and NWA?? I sure would, and not just cuz im a fan, but cuz I honestly believe they have done enough to be considered up there in those ranks, and it pisses me off that the hip hop world has not given Bone their rightfully deserved props. Im not trying to start animosity either, cuz I think internet beefs are pointless and not everyone agrees on the same shit anyway.....but I do think Bone should get more respect than they do though. I dont like ALL of Bone's work. Flesh's second solo, Layzies debut solo, the 3rd Mo Thug album, and Collection Vol.2 were all very average and disappointing......Resurrection was good, probably a 4 mic album, but not the caliber a Bone album could or should be. Krayzie's solo was indeed very good, but Bizzy's second solo is probably at least equal to it. Bizzy was on some 2Pac type shit on his second solo....u should check it out if you havent already. Aight, p'z

[Don Jacob]

not all magazines rate bad albums good that's mostly the source, rolling stone is almost ALWAYS on point with their reviews and allmusic.com is too

[Don Jacob]

I sure would, and not just cuz im a fan, but cuz I honestly believe they have done enough to be considered up there in those ranks, and it pisses me off that the hip hop world has not given Bone their rightfully deserved props.

see again your basing that on your opinion, man i'm gonna be for real WC is the shiznit and i like his album waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than i do Midnight meraudors (which is like one of the all time greatest albums) see i don't like tribe but most people int the hip hop comunity give them major props , i feel WC waaay more than i do them and i would rather get at him for a song than q-tip but you gotta relise they're on a whole other level than WC or bone like it or not and they're music is more influcential and are considered one of the best rap groups i mean i don't feel them that much but i respect that and WC in my opinion is a great MC who dropped a west coast classic album with the westside connetion but i'm not going to put him on the same level as tribe that's what you got to relise, and with no disrespect to you or bizzy bone but i lagh when you say bizzy dropped some 2pac shit with his latest, yeah bizzy touched alot of personal keys with this one but don't put him on the level of pac, Paja Stroyokavic has a wicked jumper but don't put him on the same level as Jordan

[ImmortalOne]

see again your basing that on your opinion, man i'm gonna be for real WC is the shiznit and i like his album waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than i do Midnight meraudors (which is like one of the all time greatest albums) see i don't like tribe but most people int the hip hop comunity give them major props , i feel WC waaay more than i do them and i would rather get at him for a song than q-tip but you gotta relise they're on a whole other level than WC or bone like it or not and they're music is more influcential and are considered one of the best rap groups i mean i don't feel them that much but i respect that and WC in my opinion is a great MC who dropped a west coast classic album with the westside connetion but i'm not going to put him on the same level as tribe that's what you got to relise, and with no disrespect to you or bizzy bone but i lagh when you say bizzy dropped some 2pac shit with his latest, yeah bizzy touched alot of personal keys with this one but don't put him on the level of pac, Paja Stroyokavic has a wicked jumper but don't put him on the same level as Jordan

Hahaha, Pac is my fav MC of all time [bone is my fav group]. Overall, yea, id say Pac is better than Bizzy, but Bizzy put on a helluva performance on The Gift. For real, the first time I heard that album, it reminded me alot of Me Against The World. It was a very personal, deep album, and alot of the subject matter was the similiar. Bizzy did take that 2Pac course on the east coast as well [I forgot the exact city], and that coulda been an influence on his material for The Gift, though Bizzy has alwayz been a deep MC since AOW. Bizzy and Pac were pretty good friends from what I understand as well. Bone and Pac respected one another, but I think Pac was feelin Bizzy more than the other members, cuz he knew Bizzy was on some deep thinkin shit when he wrote songs. Id rate Me Against The World higher than The Gift, but I do see alot of similiarties between the two albums....