Author Topic: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists  (Read 1185 times)

D~Nice

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2008, 05:10:25 PM »
Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?

Probably not.
 

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2008, 05:19:07 PM »
I got a couple of theory´s on this

-one could be that these DJ´s got a network of
street teams that hit the streets with the mix-tapes.

-It could be that this is actually a favor to the DJ´s,
the DJ´s can be their tour DJ and with getting their name on the mix-tapes they get a name,
this fame gets them gigs to play at clubs.

-the last one that usually comes up is that it´s there to prevent other DJ´s to use it as their´s.


Well,that was the theories.
Like you said a artist like
Slim could benifit from this but why Game,50 etc.?
They got a "brand name",even before they released a album,
all they could do is put the Aftermath stamp on it.
Or 50,Snoop,Jay-Z or who ever presents -ìnsert name of their new co-signed artist-

yeah there are no statistics. like i said before, i know that the mixtape DJ's promote through different channels than the label does for an album, so sure it will give some extra exposure for established artists, but let's say 50 won't do mixtapes anymore, i doubt it would really hurt his sales for his last soloalbum on interscope.

i'm sure The Game's sales for his last album could be boosted because of the mixtapes, but let's say he didn't do mixtapes, would he only go gold then with the Doctor's Advocate  :-\ :P

But Game is not your average artist on mixtapes. He is a beast on his mixtapes. Some of my favorites tracks from him. Creative control, it's something most do not have on a major. Mixtapes everything is fair game. 50 is going back to his roots now with them. With the diss tracks on Joe and premiering new tracks from the G-Unit album. If it is marketed properly it is a good setup for a artist's full length lp.
 

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2008, 05:20:00 PM »
Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)
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D~Nice

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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2008, 05:21:17 PM »
Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)

+1
 

Lunatic

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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2008, 05:21:43 PM »
Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)
+1
+1 right back 8)
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2008, 05:27:22 PM »
It's also a good way to put some tracks that did not make the album as well. Most are becoming albums almost.
 

Chad Vader

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2008, 05:28:49 PM »
Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?

Probably not.

-ok,but in the state the mix-tapes is presentet now it's a no win situation for neither parties. The listeners hate them,while the DJ and artists get their name out there,it's at the same time bad promo.
"ooh it's that mix-tape with all that screaming,guns shots and shit on it,that shit is annoying... I can't listen to that shit,fuck DJ -insert name-..."
You hear shit like that all the time,shit like that can't be good promo,or?


Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)

For sure,but no DJ's "read" that book  :P :laugh:
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D~Nice

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2008, 05:37:31 PM »
Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?

Probably not.

-ok,but in the state the mix-tapes is presentet now it's a no win situation for neither parties. The listeners hate them,while the DJ and artists get their name out there,it's at the same time bad promo.
"ooh it's that mix-tape with all that screaming,guns shots and shit on it,that shit is annoying... I can't listen to that shit,fuck DJ -insert name-..."
You hear shit like that all the time,shit like that can't be good promo,or?

DJ's probably don't give a shit. Those tags to them is what is going to separate their tapes from others. And most don't have signature skills like a Crazy Toones or a DJ Revolution or someone that once you hear that scratch or the way they flip a vocal sample, you KNOW who is the dj is. So most have to resort to that yelling and screaming.
 

D~Nice

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2008, 05:39:28 PM »
It's also a good way to put some tracks that did not make the album as well. Most are becoming albums almost.

Sure,but I rather see that the artists released those tracks officially on some kind of "left overs" type of albums.

But again in most cases that requires getting the record labels involved. Those b-sides and unreleased albums are a rarity now. Most would rather just throw them on a mixtape.
 

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2008, 05:51:16 PM »
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DJ's probably don't give a shit. Those tags to them is what is going to separate their tapes from others. And most don't have signature skills like a Crazy Toones or a DJ Revolution or someone that once you hear that scratch or the way they flip a vocal sample, you KNOW who is the dj is. So most have to resort to that yelling and screaming.

Those words right there means;
Attenion all walmart DJ's step your game up. DJing is a art form,respect it!

EXACTLY
 

Chad Vader

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2008, 05:52:45 PM »
It's also a good way to put some tracks that did not make the album as well. Most are becoming albums almost.

Sure,but I rather see that the artists released those tracks officially on some kind of "left overs" type of albums.

But again in most cases that requires getting the record labels involved. Those b-sides and unreleased albums are a rarity now. Most would rather just throw them on a mixtape.

I know what I'm asking is some what "impossible" in today's climate,but damn... Fuck the major's!
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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2008, 12:33:40 AM »
let's not talk about the actual content of a mixtape, but more about the purpose   :laugh:

Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?

Probably not.

-ok,but in the state the mix-tapes is presentet now it's a no win situation for neither parties. The listeners hate them,while the DJ and artists get their name out there,it's at the same time bad promo.
"ooh it's that mix-tape with all that screaming,guns shots and shit on it,that shit is annoying... I can't listen to that shit,fuck DJ -insert name-..."
You hear shit like that all the time,shit like that can't be good promo,or?

it really depends on the benefits of a mixtape for an established artist.

so if the benefits are not worth it to have the music tagged, then they must find another way to protect the copyrights and keep the costs as low as possible at the same time.

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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2008, 11:21:36 AM »
we've heard complaints about the sfx......but we've gotten way more positive feedback on them thats why we continue to do it. it also sets us apart from any other mixtape dj out there. i know on animal planet the sfx were a little too loud. that was over two years ago so we have definetly refined out style. hate it or love it....we'll see you at the top!


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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2008, 04:22:11 PM »
I will say that sometimes DJ's go overboard with the tags. Also, DJ's who release mixtapes without actually mixing and blending songs are trash and a disgrace to the profession.

Exactly man i agree with you 100000% i try not to tag my shit as much as possible and if any of you have heard my mixes you will see its limited i dont like the screaming over tracks i dont do it cause its annoying as fuck... and the only simple reason why i tag is cause i tag my blends so no one can use it and claim it as their own cause believe me ive had wack DJ's on myspace ask me if they could use a blend or scratch i did on a tape...i mean WTF be original and in saying that when you have free mixtapes online for download you need to make sure ppl know it was your work BUT to me theres a difference...

Over the years this is what has become.....

Mixtape- compilation most time of new/old tracks with DJ's wack screaming and tags non stop...useless alot of the times
Mix- new/old tracks mixed like its suppose to be with scratchin, beat breakin & blendin tracks....real DJ'n IMO
Street Album- Just songs that have less tags no effort from the DJ at all if ANY is involved...

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Re: the purpose of mixtape DJ's, especially for establised artists
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2008, 01:06:46 AM »
This little thing might move the convo on;
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Dollars and Sense: Second Edition (Friday June 13th, 2008)
http://www.dubcnn.com/blogs/dollarsandsense/
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=183781.msg1877570#msg1877570


People like free, but will it translate into sales?
By Eric Engelwood

So I had my iTunes on shuffle trying to come up with something to write about when it dawned on me:
The West Coast is at the forefront of marketing in the music industry. iTunes played me Crooked I’s Hip-hop Weekly #19.
That track was followed up by Bishop Lamont’s City Lights, which was followed up by Problem’s I’m toe up remix.
The West Coast is putting out quality music for free, so how will artists make money?
Will this tactic of "free music" pan out or will we see another generation of angry West Coast rappers shunned by the industry?

Think about it for a second: Crooked I put out 52 weeks of free music. That’s nearly four albums worth of free music.
Bishop Lamont has put out three album quality mixtapes in a little over a year.
Artists regularly put fully mixed and mastered tracks on Dubcnn, Lyay.net and countless other media outlets for free.
This is a brand new way of marketing and it’s time for artists to take advantage of this new model. Welcome to music 2.0.

Artists are building grassroots fanbases , but are they utilizing them accordingly?
In order to succeed, touring, direct to fan sales, and other revenue streams should be examined.
For every artist that puts out a track for free, there should a plan to make money behind it.
Will that track get that gets the club jumping translate into touring money?
Can you license that song about your favorite booze to the booze company for a commercial?


yeah i sometimes wonder that myself too; offcourse for us fans, free music is great, but sometimes i'm suprised by the huge amount of songs that are given away for free  :P
so from a business perspective you have some good points.


i wouldn't mind to pay for a bishop lamont street album, especially if it's untagged & properly mixed(as long as it's sold at a fair price  ;) not sure about the exact amount, but obviously it should not be more expensive than a regular album at the most)


though i wouldn't say that giving away street albums for free, hurts the sales of a retail album from those artists.


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