So, is it the Offense or the QB?

[eS El Duque]

BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap 

but thats my point...the Pats wern't blowing out teams when they won their superbowl. They were winning close games. I think Cassel..sinces hes been Bradys back up FOR so long...can give the Pats a chance to win at the end of most games.

["THE" MoSav]

THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap 

Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.


Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.

I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.

Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.

yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..

[OG Hack Wilson]

BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap 

 They were winning close games.

thats the cameras for ya


this time its even

[Shallow]

THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap 

Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.


Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.

I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.

Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.

yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..

Guys always made plays. Brady's "winning drive" in his first Superbowl only had 1 pass over ten yards. The other 2 or 3 were dump passes that added up to 30 or 40 yards. The point is that the Pats offense was capable of putting up around 4000 passing yards with out 1000+ WRs, like in '05, because of the style of offense they run. The Colts run a drop back semi-long pass offense and they always have either 2 1000+ guys or 1 1500 yard guy. They can focus on the same guy because they have a QB that can force it in. Brady's not that QB. For 4 years straight Harrison was the only go to guy on the Colts, and despite constant double teaming, he was putting up more pass yards than Moss did last year. When a team wanted to shut out Moss last year Brady just kept dumping it to Welker, Stallworth, or Maroney and that was enough to spread the D out and give Randy more room or Randy just got shut out like in the Ravens and Eagles games. Put Brady on the 99 to 03 Colts and you won't see 1000 yards for Marvin, and 1500 is out of the question. And certainly no Superbowls.

["THE" MoSav]

THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap 

Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.


Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.

I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.

Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.

yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..

Guys always made plays. Brady's "winning drive" in his first Superbowl only had 1 pass over ten yards. The other 2 or 3 were dump passes that added up to 30 or 40 yards. The point is that the Pats offense was capable of putting up around 4000 passing yards with out 1000+ WRs, like in '05, because of the style of offense they run. The Colts run a drop back semi-long pass offense and they always have either 2 1000+ guys or 1 1500 yard guy. They can focus on the same guy because they have a QB that can force it in. Brady's not that QB. For 4 years straight Harrison was the only go to guy on the Colts, and despite constant double teaming, he was putting up more pass yards than Moss did last year. When a team wanted to shut out Moss last year Brady just kept dumping it to Welker, Stallworth, or Maroney and that was enough to spread the D out and give Randy more room or Randy just got shut out like in the Ravens and Eagles games. Put Brady on the 99 to 03 Colts and you won't see 1000 yards for Marvin, and 1500 is out of the question. And certainly no Superbowls.

that last part is all speculation, brady can make every throw on the field, damn you got youre head so far up Peytons ass, you think Brady cant make the Same throws??? Ur nuts...

[Shallow]

THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap 

Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.


Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.

I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.

Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.

yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..

Guys always made plays. Brady's "winning drive" in his first Superbowl only had 1 pass over ten yards. The other 2 or 3 were dump passes that added up to 30 or 40 yards. The point is that the Pats offense was capable of putting up around 4000 passing yards with out 1000+ WRs, like in '05, because of the style of offense they run. The Colts run a drop back semi-long pass offense and they always have either 2 1000+ guys or 1 1500 yard guy. They can focus on the same guy because they have a QB that can force it in. Brady's not that QB. For 4 years straight Harrison was the only go to guy on the Colts, and despite constant double teaming, he was putting up more pass yards than Moss did last year. When a team wanted to shut out Moss last year Brady just kept dumping it to Welker, Stallworth, or Maroney and that was enough to spread the D out and give Randy more room or Randy just got shut out like in the Ravens and Eagles games. Put Brady on the 99 to 03 Colts and you won't see 1000 yards for Marvin, and 1500 is out of the question. And certainly no Superbowls.

that last part is all speculation, brady can make every throw on the field, damn you got youre head so far up Peytons ass, you think Brady cant make the Same throws??? Ur nuts...

When I see Brady make tight throws into coverage on the hands and thread the needle I'll agree he can do it. But when a QB avoids those throws for 7 years it's more than speculation to say he can't make the throws. In the same amount of time (first 7 years) Manning has 3000 more yards and 20 more TDs. It's like he's played a whole other season. Why? Because the Colts were a drop back gunslinging team that whole time. The Pats were a conservative screen pass team the past 7 years. Manning is in there to attempt throws 90% of the NFL QBs would get benched for attempting. Some of the time it leads to an INT. Much more so than if they played west coast. Brady's YACs are way more than Manning's. Colts would have to beef up the o-line so they can push the line and develop blocking backs and wide outs but they don't have that. There offense is based around the ability to run quick routes and put the ball where the defenders can't reach it. No up the middle power runs or screen pass after screen pass because that wouldn't work with that team. But that style doesn't win championships unless you got a D. As shown in the AFC Championship a few years back. It wasn't Manning alone that led the Colts back from 21-3. It was Indy's D that kept NE off the board until it was 21-21 and evened up the game. Manning didn't "win" anything that day. The Colts.

The Pats were like Shaq and the Colts were like Kobe. Except for NIK most would agree that Shaq was more valuable and better to have but no one would say Shaq has anywhere near the skills that Kobe has. Give Shaq's skills to a guy Kobe's size and he'll never make the league. Give Brady's skills to a team like the '98 Colts and he's getting cut in the first month.

[Primo]

You are wrong, Brady threads the ball in there liek no other.

[Dubbz]

Keep talking Hack, I guarantee the Pats shit on the Giants' record. Guarantee.

[Shallow]

You are wrong, Brady threads the ball in there liek no other.

And Shaq does the sickest crossovers in the game.

[OG Hack Wilson]

Keep talking Hack, I guarantee the Pats shit on the Giants' record. Guarantee.

unless the PAts win a superbowl it's all for nothing

[Fuck Your Existence]

Besides Manning(Peyton!...lookin @ you Hack) Brady cant be fucked with and it hasnt been close for years. Whens the last time a players been injured and it affect the entire league?

[Shallow]

Besides Manning(Peyton!...lookin @ you Hack) Brady cant be fucked with and it hasnt been close for years. Whens the last time a players been injured and it affect the entire league?

That's because Brady is big money. The league automatically lost ratings for the Pats/Colts prime time game they use every year to pull in big numbers. No one is doubting Brady's commercial value. I question his value to the team as far as winning games is concerned, and Matt Cassel will answer my question.

[OchoCinco]

they are both important...realistacly the offencive line is the most important when you look at facts but people font really look at that...

["THE" MoSav]

Thats a joke, Shallow. Ive seen Brady rifle it into tight coverage PLENTY OF TIMES. Watch more, or get youre head out of Peytons Crotch 

[Shallow]

Thats a joke, Shallow. Ive seen Brady rifle it into tight coverage PLENTY OF TIMES. Watch more, or get youre head out of Peytons Crotch 

By plenty do you mean twice?