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is it possible to be moral when you DO have a religious affiliation?
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on October 01, 2008, 08:45:19 AMis it possible to be moral when you DO have a religious affiliation?exactly,i know/knew plenty of worthless mother fuckers who consider themselves religious...
Of course... I'm the living proof nigga
The question itself cannot be answered unless you find a society based on atheism. And then the philosophical question of what is religion comes into play.
Are there people that would be moral despite believing in no after life? Yes there are. Is religion defined by a belief in afterlife?
yeah but specifically how you explain it, (know any philosophers whose bout it bout it?) how...
how can you be moral without religious influence...where did you get your morales from then?
Quote from: 7even on October 01, 2008, 01:46:54 AMOf course... I'm the living proof niggaThat's why you don't celebrate Christmas, right? Or respect your elders. Or accept your Sundays off from work. The whole protestant work ethic never even got anywhere near you. Oh, and also, I understand you don't wear clothes in public on a hot summer day. You're 100% freed from religious influences. I see.What I'm saying is that you might not be moral because of your religiousness, but you'll still be influenced by religion because that's what shaped the culture that gives form to our world. That's what reflects back onto your personal morality: your acceptance or opposing of the morals of the world around you.So in short, no, given the social environment we're now in, there'll always be religious influences on your morals. Hypothetically speaking, however, a "new" society made up of "blank" people on a deserted island would start giving shape to a new culture of theirs, but they would almost certainly resort back to some conceptions of the supernatural in order to explain that which they cannot explain. It's a natural coping strategy; humans need that to stay psychologically healthy.
Another important point to make is that while religion teaches altruism and self-lessness, the same morals can be taught from a selfish perspective.Instead of teaching a chile he should steal because God says so, he can be taught that he shouldn't steal because people will shun a thief and not want to be his friend. Or that he shouldn't lie, not because "God says so" but rather because the consequences of a lie are that one has to continue pretending and carrying on that lie far longer than they origionally intended and that ultimately they can get what is more in harmony with their nature by approaching the world directly and honestly.
Quote from: Rugged Monk on October 01, 2008, 02:24:13 AMhow can you be moral without religious influence...where did you get your morales from then? So these morals are not coming from religious influence, but rather he simply considers what his goals are (making sure the goals are realistic and achievable), and then sets about making a code of conduct consistent with his own naturethat will allow him to achieve those goals. For example, if he knows it's in his nature that he has a sensitive personality. He wouldn't set about making a code of conduct that involved dealing out 'tough love' to those he cared about or being unsympathetic. Rather he would make a code of conduct consistent with his sensitive nature (as an example).