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Quote from: Don Rizzle on May 10, 2006, 03:16:12 AMiraq would just get annexed by iranThat would be a great solution. If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
iraq would just get annexed by iran
You know Don, it is true that Zionist ideology contains serious anti-liberal elements and that it served as the background for an ethnic cleansing.The crimes cannot be justified. However, the problem we should focus on politically-and by we I mean people who wanna end the occupation-is the occupation. I agree with Norman Finkelstein on this. The middle east is replete with anti-liberal regimes compared to which Israel-internally-is a liberal haven.Some of these dark regimes are also supported by the west (Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia)- but your outrage is not directed at their anti-liberal nature. The occupation might be in part motivated by Zionism but ending the occupation is not the same as ending Zionism. There is a wall to wall consensus in the international community on how to resolve the conflict and end the occupation. There is no consensus at all on the abolition of Zionism as it is embodied in the concept of a Jewish state. By keeping the focus on Israel's Zionist character you thereby help perpetuate the occupation. Because Israeli propagandists can then claim that opposition to the occupation is equivalent to opposing the Jewish state, and thus justify their rejection of the two-state settlement as it is understood by the international community. I think this is where the difference-between empty sloganeering and actual concern for the lives of Palestinians-lies .
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on February 06, 2009, 03:32:27 AMYou know Don, it is true that Zionist ideology contains serious anti-liberal elements and that it served as the background for an ethnic cleansing.The crimes cannot be justified. However, the problem we should focus on politically-and by we I mean people who wanna end the occupation-is the occupation. I agree with Norman Finkelstein on this. The middle east is replete with anti-liberal regimes compared to which Israel-internally-is a liberal haven.Some of these dark regimes are also supported by the west (Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia)- but your outrage is not directed at their anti-liberal nature. The occupation might be in part motivated by Zionism but ending the occupation is not the same as ending Zionism. There is a wall to wall consensus in the international community on how to resolve the conflict and end the occupation. There is no consensus at all on the abolition of Zionism as it is embodied in the concept of a Jewish state. By keeping the focus on Israel's Zionist character you thereby help perpetuate the occupation. Because Israeli propagandists can then claim that opposition to the occupation is equivalent to opposing the Jewish state, and thus justify their rejection of the two-state settlement as it is understood by the international community. I think this is where the difference-between empty sloganeering and actual concern for the lives of Palestinians-lies .yigal this post is on fukin point 100%