Best clutch player? 82games.com

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Consider who Im arguing with tho man. Its NIK...cmon. Its like me telling a religious nut to prove theres a God and having him turn around and saying "yes there is, because God is the best!".  Similar situation lol

and yet you still give it your all

you and NIK both lose

naw, cus my goal isnt to make him change his mind. I just get a kick out of making illogical people look ridiculous. Again, to compare it to religious freaks...i get a kick out of trying to get them to prove something that cant be proven and watch them argue against my facts with their opinions. Funny shit.

[Chamillitary Click]

mj doesnt have incredible clutch stats according to 82games...LOL. lebron>mj!!!

My friend from Chicago told me once

throwing that in there doesnt make the point more valid lol.  If I tell you that my friend from LA says that Kobe is a fake, whiny little bitch with no real leadership skills....does that make the point any more valid then when the rest of the world says it? 

lmao, nice reponse.

i dont think you can have a "the clutch player".

i mean you can say one comes bigger at the end of games more than another guy, but to pick one doesnt say much.

like lets say Shaq miraculously throws up 3 game winning full court shots before his career is over (in big games too).

are you going to say that Shaq is more clutch than a Reggie Miller or MJ because of some lucky chucks?

more times than not, shots at the buzzer are chucks 70% of the time & all just luck (in most cases).

i think this a pointless argument which apprently already has turned into a usual "Kobe>>>LeBron", "LeBron>>>Kobe" & "Kobe>>>MJ".

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

daygo is arguin against Kobe's clutchness...he loses.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

mj doesnt have incredible clutch stats according to 82games...LOL. lebron>mj!!!

My friend from Chicago told me once

throwing that in there doesnt make the point more valid lol.  If I tell you that my friend from LA says that Kobe is a fake, whiny little bitch with no real leadership skills....does that make the point any more valid then when the rest of the world says it? 

lmao, nice reponse.

i dont think you can have a "the clutch player".

i mean you can say one comes bigger at the end of games more than another guy, but to pick one doesnt say much.

like lets say Shaq miraculously throws up 3 game winning full court shots before his career is over (in big games too).

are you going to say that Shaq is more clutch than a Reggie Miller or MJ because of some lucky chucks?

more times than not, shots at the buzzer are chucks 70% of the time & all just luck (in most cases).

i think this a pointless argument which apprently already has turned into a usual "Kobe>>>LeBron", "LeBron>>>Kobe" & "Kobe>>>MJ".

i nominate this reply as dumbest post of the year for '09

[wcsoldier]

MJ, Kobe and Reggie are/were  clearly the best clutch players from the 90es to now...  of course every clutch player is going to miss some , even a lot but that's because they have that reputation and will be doubled or tripled team on the last shot ... Kobe efficiency on the last shot (I'm not talking about the last 4-5 min of the game) has dropped a lot after 04 it's true but why ?

- Kobe has made a lot of incredible  game winners with tough defense on him but it was still 1 on 1 situation ... because Shaq (despite sucking badly at FT shooting)  Horry , Fox , Fish were considered dangerous to decent threats at making a game winner therefore it opened the floor for him and allowed him to take a tough but still not impossible for his standards ... nowadays besides Fish , nobody else from our team has shown the ability to make a game winner -- they ain't considered as dangerous = opponents will leave them opened to double or tripled team Kobe...

- There is no play called or execution from us for some years ... this is at this moment I wonder how Phil can do a such bad job at coaching in the clutch ... it's just give the ball to Kobe and we will see what happens  how many balls not inbounded correctly , desperate Kobe shots from 30 feet over 3 defenders have we seen for 4-5 years ... it's just pathetic ...

- Kobe has his part of responsability , he often takes bad shots too quick instead of working off the ball , hitting his better spots ... I'd like to see Kobe creating off the dribble for Fish , more pick n rolls with Pau over this Kobe iso again and again

[Chamillitary Click]

mj doesnt have incredible clutch stats according to 82games...LOL. lebron>mj!!!

My friend from Chicago told me once

throwing that in there doesnt make the point more valid lol.  If I tell you that my friend from LA says that Kobe is a fake, whiny little bitch with no real leadership skills....does that make the point any more valid then when the rest of the world says it? 

lmao, nice reponse.

i dont think you can have a "the clutch player".

i mean you can say one comes bigger at the end of games more than another guy, but to pick one doesnt say much.

like lets say Shaq miraculously throws up 3 game winning full court shots before his career is over (in big games too).

are you going to say that Shaq is more clutch than a Reggie Miller or MJ because of some lucky chucks?

more times than not, shots at the buzzer are chucks 70% of the time & all just luck (in most cases).

i think this a pointless argument which apprently already has turned into a usual "Kobe>>>LeBron", "LeBron>>>Kobe" & "Kobe>>>MJ".

i nominate this reply as dumbest post of the year for '09

if theres a category for it & you claim i am a shoe in, im down.

but you also claim a lot of things that are out of this world, so i wont keep my hopes up.

MJ>Reggie>Kobe (clutchness), even if i believe you cant distinguish.

[M Dogg™]

mj doesnt have incredible clutch stats according to 82games...LOL. lebron>mj!!!

My friend from Chicago told me once

throwing that in there doesnt make the point more valid lol.  If I tell you that my friend from LA says that Kobe is a fake, whiny little bitch with no real leadership skills....does that make the point any more valid then when the rest of the world says it? 

here was the main point, even though MJ, or Kobe wasn't 100% in clutch, they want the ball at the end, they want that last shot to win. So with that in mind, if they get it or not, people remember them taking that last shot. That was my main point, and I was using my boy 'cause he saw MJ play every game, just like I never missed a Laker game when I'm in Cali, and I catch every national Laker game well I'm in MN, this guy saw every Bulls game in the 90's when he was in the Chi.

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

mj doesnt have incredible clutch stats according to 82games...LOL. lebron>mj!!!

My friend from Chicago told me once

throwing that in there doesnt make the point more valid lol.  If I tell you that my friend from LA says that Kobe is a fake, whiny little bitch with no real leadership skills....does that make the point any more valid then when the rest of the world says it? 

here was the main point, even though MJ, or Kobe wasn't 100% in clutch, they want the ball at the end, they want that last shot to win. So with that in mind, if they get it or not, people remember them taking that last shot. That was my main point, and I was using my boy 'cause he saw MJ play every game, just like I never missed a Laker game when I'm in Cali, and I catch every national Laker game well I'm in MN, this guy saw every Bulls game in the 90's when he was in the Chi.

i get u man. but my point is that, wanting to take the last shot doesnt make you clutch. Performing under pressure, or better yet, performing better under pressure. Thats clutch. John Stockton wasnt a big scorer, so if down the stretch of a close game in the playoffs, he scored no points, but had 5 assists in the last 4 minutes and one that lead to the game winning shot....wouldnt that be a clutch performance?  If Bruce Bowen was stickin Ray Allen in the finals, and Ray Allen had been killing the Spurs all game....but in a close 4th quarter, Bruce Bowen completely shut out Ray Allen for the final 10 minutes of the game...wouldnt that be a clutch performance?  Being clutch is more about what YOU do to make your team win in a tight situation. Taking the last shot no matter what, even when a better shot is available for your team to win...isnt clutch.  And no Scittles, i never said Kobe wasnt clutch. I said there are a ton of different ways to measure how clutch someone is, and you can DEFINETELY argue over who is the MOST clutch player in the league. And guess what, no one would be right.