Poor Suge....

[DTG Entertainment]

I already knew this shit was going to happen, Black Ball was already a existing company (its not rap).I knew his ass wouldn't be able to use the damn name. PS why the fuck should we feel sorry?


The son of a bitch may of got dr. dre on, but the way he went about Death Row, in the end Horse fucked it into oblivion. With the rackateering, the beatings and the threats. Man Fuck the fat mother fucker.Asshole made fun of Eazy' E's Death, tried nickel and diming the fans with Second-Generation rip offs, Shafted artist on rightfully do money.Combined refusing to sell the masters so the artist could release them on their label, and releasing only about 1 or 2 just to force the fans to buy another bullshit 2PAC Remix compilation.

So fuck him, he should of done his work, and not fuck up, because his fat ass The West Coast nearly fell off the face of the fucking earth, and the G-Funk era came to a sad halt.Mother fucker should of done his research when it came to making a new label.


Now from what I said above makes it sound like I hate the nigga. I do in some aspects, but I respect him because if it wasn't for his shady tactics, we would never of had The Chronic, Doggy Style, shit everything. In the end his ass just needed to relax.

So do I have sympathy for his plight? fuck no. Do I think he could be a driving force again? Possibly. Should he make another label??? Yes & no. Yes, because he could possibly bring back the G-Funk Era and no, because he could possibly just screw over artist/fans.

It wasn't his fault half of the shit couldn't be released. I.E. - Dre filed lawsuits to keep them from getting released. Also, Suge was entitled to keep all the masters for later on considering he paid for most of the studio time. It wasn't his choice to sign all the rip off's, keep in mind - he was in jail (1997 - 2001). If the artists were business savvy, they wouldn't have gotten shafted. Plus, most of the stuff we hear is hearsay. The Eazy thing - I can't really speak on that.

Yes it was, Suge Knight's main problem was pushing release dates.Albums missed released dates because Suge failed to broker the deals and push everything forward. Also wrong, Suge wasn't allowed to keep masters because of Studio Time. He was only allowed to keep masters during his Artist Contract time. Which as we all know was a Time based Iron clad contract (Anything they owned suge could distribute regardless of lawsuits).

So he could of released them and Dr. Dre or anyone couldn't say a damn thing do to the contract. In the end he didn't do it and tried to push forward with the second generation.

Also yes, he did sign the Rip offs. Keep in mind that while his bitch ass was in jail, The owner at the time (VP) was Kurupt, but all major decisions such as who signed was to go through suge. So Suge was responsible for Death Row's Destruction and failure to release anything during the second generation. He had problems with Knoch records, and was only releasing some tracks.\\

Only 1s who had a lawsuit (viable that is) was Amaru Records, which claimed that Tupac's recordings were Not under the contract (certain 1s anyways not all, All Eyez and Makaveli can't be touched).

Now you say if the artist were business savvy they wouldn't of gotten shafted.Suge has made contracts Time Based, and under the assertion anything they recorded for Death Row (Released or unreleased) was to be kept under his wing (he owns the masters).Thats said in done, its not about that. Its about the fact Suge didn't pay producers, artist or anyone at death row proper compensation for their work.That's why everyone in the first generation hated him, because while they got released suge did not pay them proper payment. That's why his stupid ass went up for racketeering charges.Because he extorted Artist, using threats, and verbal/physical abuse.

That's why Dr. Dre left, even Tupac while he had made money wasn't getting his fair share. Though because Tupac was on the success of All Eyez (which reached the 7 million mark while he was alive) and busy with the fued with biggie combined with the fact he was involved with Death Row East and his own Makaveli Records (which would of been distributed through Death Row). Tupac was to busy, all he did was record, he wasn't worried about the money at the time.

Only reason he's good with the second generation is because they never had to deal with suge face to face. He made major decisions behind bars, and when he was released, he screwed up several major releases.

No, I STATED because of contracts and I said he SHOULD have kept them due to being the one WHO FINANCED THEM in order for the TRACKS to get MADE. Suge not releasing shit is completely irrelevant, if you were stuck with labels you knew couldn't push your artists such as Koch or Navarre then of course you aren't going to release fuck all. So, you killed two points right there. Dr. Dre filed a lawsuit to PREVENT his masters from getting released on Death Row. So, you killed another point. So, what if dudes were rip offs? You still know of them, and you still listened to them just to bitch about them. Puffy is guilty of signing Shyne and Shyne went gold, got a point there?  Artists like C-Po got shafted because they weren't business savvy when signing contracts. Do your research. 2Pac was getting his fair share actually, that Amaru lawsuit didn't prove a point. It was just basically hearsay about how 2Pac was giving his money away. Dr. Dre left because of the atmosphere at Death Row not because of him getting dicked around for his money. Also, there you go again making your assumptions about how everyone from the first generation hated him - they didn't hate him until he stepped up his role. Watch the Welcome 2 Death Row movie, Snoop will say exactly that. Suge was actually very influential with the 2nd generation, that's why Crooked I doesn't say anything bad about him. If you didn't act like a bitch, you didn't get treated like one. That's why Crooked I never got slapped around.

[slickrik2002]

I already knew this shit was going to happen, Black Ball was already a existing company (its not rap).I knew his ass wouldn't be able to use the damn name. PS why the fuck should we feel sorry?


The son of a bitch may of got dr. dre on, but the way he went about Death Row, in the end Horse fucked it into oblivion. With the rackateering, the beatings and the threats. Man Fuck the fat mother fucker.Asshole made fun of Eazy' E's Death, tried nickel and diming the fans with Second-Generation rip offs, Shafted artist on rightfully do money.Combined refusing to sell the masters so the artist could release them on their label, and releasing only about 1 or 2 just to force the fans to buy another bullshit 2PAC Remix compilation.

So fuck him, he should of done his work, and not fuck up, because his fat ass The West Coast nearly fell off the face of the fucking earth, and the G-Funk era came to a sad halt.Mother fucker should of done his research when it came to making a new label.


Now from what I said above makes it sound like I hate the nigga. I do in some aspects, but I respect him because if it wasn't for his shady tactics, we would never of had The Chronic, Doggy Style, shit everything. In the end his ass just needed to relax.

So do I have sympathy for his plight? fuck no. Do I think he could be a driving force again? Possibly. Should he make another label??? Yes & no. Yes, because he could possibly bring back the G-Funk Era and no, because he could possibly just screw over artist/fans.

It wasn't his fault half of the shit couldn't be released. I.E. - Dre filed lawsuits to keep them from getting released. Also, Suge was entitled to keep all the masters for later on considering he paid for most of the studio time. It wasn't his choice to sign all the rip off's, keep in mind - he was in jail (1997 - 2001). If the artists were business savvy, they wouldn't have gotten shafted. Plus, most of the stuff we hear is hearsay. The Eazy thing - I can't really speak on that.

Yes it was, Suge Knight's main problem was pushing release dates.Albums missed released dates because Suge failed to broker the deals and push everything forward. Also wrong, Suge wasn't allowed to keep masters because of Studio Time. He was only allowed to keep masters during his Artist Contract time. Which as we all know was a Time based Iron clad contract (Anything they owned suge could distribute regardless of lawsuits).

So he could of released them and Dr. Dre or anyone couldn't say a damn thing do to the contract. In the end he didn't do it and tried to push forward with the second generation.

Also yes, he did sign the Rip offs. Keep in mind that while his bitch ass was in jail, The owner at the time (VP) was Kurupt, but all major decisions such as who signed was to go through suge. So Suge was responsible for Death Row's Destruction and failure to release anything during the second generation. He had problems with Knoch records, and was only releasing some tracks.\\

Only 1s who had a lawsuit (viable that is) was Amaru Records, which claimed that Tupac's recordings were Not under the contract (certain 1s anyways not all, All Eyez and Makaveli can't be touched).

Now you say if the artist were business savvy they wouldn't of gotten shafted.Suge has made contracts Time Based, and under the assertion anything they recorded for Death Row (Released or unreleased) was to be kept under his wing (he owns the masters).Thats said in done, its not about that. Its about the fact Suge didn't pay producers, artist or anyone at death row proper compensation for their work.That's why everyone in the first generation hated him, because while they got released suge did not pay them proper payment. That's why his stupid ass went up for racketeering charges.Because he extorted Artist, using threats, and verbal/physical abuse.

That's why Dr. Dre left, even Tupac while he had made money wasn't getting his fair share. Though because Tupac was on the success of All Eyez (which reached the 7 million mark while he was alive) and busy with the fued with biggie combined with the fact he was involved with Death Row East and his own Makaveli Records (which would of been distributed through Death Row). Tupac was to busy, all he did was record, he wasn't worried about the money at the time.

Only reason he's good with the second generation is because they never had to deal with suge face to face. He made major decisions behind bars, and when he was released, he screwed up several major releases.

i'm not sure the last time you had your own record label but lets pretend you do/did....you think it would be easier or harder to manage it in jail or out of jail?

now lets pretend your rational and your answer is that it would be harder to run a record label from jail.....do you think that along with the fact that he's working with just about all new artists would make it even more difficult?

losing 2pac, snoop, dre and the rest of the former artists can be an argument you can make that Suge wasn't able to keep that together, but to argue that he fucked up putting out the 2nd dynasty is like gettin mad at your girl for not suckin dick as good as she did before she had braces......they both got handicaps against them!!!

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

haha^^^true tho

[GangstaBoogy]

its fucked up cuz he was prolly the only one that could lift this coast and help it the way he did to begin wit (better chance vs dre or snoop doin it)

co-sign. look at all the talent he had around Tha Row era.

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

he might be a bad person or at least have done some "negative" type shit but at the same time as far as business goes hes prolly done the most for this coast when it comes to puttin talent out and muzik
then on the other hand if he did kill pac then damn   

its fucked up cuz he was prolly the only one that could lift this coast and help it the way he did to begin wit (better chance vs dre or snoop doin it)

co-sign. look at all the talent he had around Tha Row era.

[Jimmy H.]

In regards to the "Suge still being blackballed" comment. Being stopped from using a name for a company because it legally belongs to someone else is not being blackballed.

muffuccaz been prayin for his downfall
its fucked up cuz he was prolly the only one that could lift this coast and help it the way he did to begin wit (better chance vs dre or snoop doin it)

I don't agree. He had the potential to make some moves for the West but I think he would have needed to make some changes first.

Actually it does, because he knows what's in and what isn't. Thinking about it, if Dysfunktional Family would have came out a few years later - it would have been labeled a great soundtrack if not for the blackballing.

Again with the blackballing. This excuse gets thrown out way too often for everything. More over, blackballing has no affect on whether or not something is a great product or not. I think Suge's problems had more to do with his legal troubles than anything else. For a label that was so-called "blackballed", he seemed to have no trouble getting clearances from other labels or finding his way onto national TV programs. Or magazine covers. He had distribution through Koch. Again, I think it was more to do with certain companies being weary of doing business with a label that was under investigation for money laundering. This is not black balling. There could have also been some added apprehention about dealing with a label known for violence and intimidation. Again, not blackballing. I feel in many ways that Suge got a bum rap but I also see places where as a businessman, he should have downplayed things instead of playing them up.

[KaliMex]

people just hate on suge cause suge what they rap bout and that aint them....suge jakd dre snoop and few others......but in a way i feel like dre desearve it now that i see that he dont fuk with westkoast artist as much........good luk suge your music executive career is over tho....

[DTG Entertainment]

In regards to the "Suge still being blackballed" comment. Being stopped from using a name for a company because it legally belongs to someone else is not being blackballed.

muffuccaz been prayin for his downfall
its fucked up cuz he was prolly the only one that could lift this coast and help it the way he did to begin wit (better chance vs dre or snoop doin it)

I don't agree. He had the potential to make some moves for the West but I think he would have needed to make some changes first.

Actually it does, because he knows what's in and what isn't. Thinking about it, if Dysfunktional Family would have came out a few years later - it would have been labeled a great soundtrack if not for the blackballing.

Again with the blackballing. This excuse gets thrown out way too often for everything. More over, blackballing has no affect on whether or not something is a great product or not. I think Suge's problems had more to do with his legal troubles than anything else. For a label that was so-called "blackballed", he seemed to have no trouble getting clearances from other labels or finding his way onto national TV programs. Or magazine covers. He had distribution through Koch. Again, I think it was more to do with certain companies being weary of doing business with a label that was under investigation for money laundering. This is not black balling. There could have also been some added apprehention about dealing with a label known for violence and intimidation. Again, not blackballing. I feel in many ways that Suge got a bum rap but I also see places where as a businessman, he should have downplayed things instead of playing them up.

Like Crooked I said, they wouldn't say no to Suge because they were afraid of him - once Suge left the picture though - they said fuck Death Row. That's why Still Tha Row never reached many networks.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

why feel sorry for a jackass?

Suge isn't a jackass if he managed to find good talent before it went big - I.E. - Keisha Cole

finding talent doesn't have an affect on whether or not your a jackass. Case in point, Puffy discovered Big. The fact is the only rapper who he stayed cool with was Pac, and he got murdered.

Also, wrong. Tha Realest, J Flexx, Petey Pablo, and multiple others are still cool with Suge. The only ones who aren't are Snoop, Dre, Tray Dee, and anyone affiliated with those dudes and for the right reasons.

Apparently not cool enough to stay in contact. Even if they didn't leave with the same feelings as Dre, Snoop and the others, they still don't want to fuck with him.

[DTG Entertainment]

why feel sorry for a jackass?

Suge isn't a jackass if he managed to find good talent before it went big - I.E. - Keisha Cole

finding talent doesn't have an affect on whether or not your a jackass. Case in point, Puffy discovered Big. The fact is the only rapper who he stayed cool with was Pac, and he got murdered.

Also, wrong. Tha Realest, J Flexx, Petey Pablo, and multiple others are still cool with Suge. The only ones who aren't are Snoop, Dre, Tray Dee, and anyone affiliated with those dudes and for the right reasons.

Apparently not cool enough to stay in contact. Even if they didn't leave with the same feelings as Dre, Snoop and the others, they still don't want to fuck with him.

J Flexx and Doobie said they would work with Suge anytime in the future. I'm not sure about Realest.

[Dre-Day]

ha i'm always gonna support what Suge does mostly because of the fact that he's got so many haters that really don't even know why they hate him.  if your one of his former artists then yeah i can't comment but so many fans act like they were there and knew what Suge was doin.

this might be a little far fetched but i stick up for Bush sometimes too b/c even tho he sounds like a dumbass when he talks, so many people hate him like they know what its like to run a country.

there's a handful of people that you can just outright hate without knowing and that goes for child molestors, rapists, hitler, jeffrey dahmer, etc.

i think i fucked up my original point but whatever i'll stick to this

countering stupidity with stupidity is not effective

[J Bananas]

This is a lot of debating and speculation for one simple ass negro...If we want to talk about stupidity.

[DTG Entertainment]

This is a lot of debating and speculation for one simple ass negro...If we want to talk about stupidity.

Lol. Some of it was stupidity, some of it was sheer capitalizing on a good thing. Suge Knight? Eh. Lol.

[J Bananas]

No use in all this speculation and semantics over one south central entrepreneur...one who hasn't really done much good for the world...Is that what Dre Day wants to dedicate his life to?

[Dre-Day]

No use in all this speculation and semantics over one south central entrepreneur...one who hasn't really done much good for the world...Is that what Dre Day wants to dedicate his life to?

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