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Any of ya'll ready to retract your ridiculous "LeBron>Kobe" claims yet?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on June 06, 2009, 08:26:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 08:12:25 AM ---My point is still clear M Dogg, as long as you still even have to argue it Kobe is not the current MJ. There was no argument when MJ had the crown. People even argue if he hadn't retired in the first place the Bulls would have had 8 straight titles. I'm not saying Kobe isn't the best right now. I'm saying if he is he isn't as much better than the rest as Jordan was better than the rest. And he also wasn't in the argument as long as Larry and Magic were (not yet anyway). He also isn't yet as much better than the rest as Shaq and Duncan were. If he wins this series the way he won last game then he might be. If he wins next year too then he definitely will be.
I don't like comparing Duncan or Shaq then vs Kobe now would lose because I don't know. Would any of the Championship team Spurs lose to this years Lakers? I don't know. They can never play each other. Would Shaq in his prime on this years Magic beat these Lakers? It's not possible to know.
But it is possible to judge whether Kobe is considered on top the same way Jordan was, and the result of that as of right now is no he isn't on top the same way.
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As I was saying though, it seemed like last year was built as Kobe's year, the NBA put money into the Lakers/Celtics, and the whole best player vs. 3 all-stars. This year, they wanted Lebron/Kobe bad, with Lebron winning. They are building to the MJ/Magic series.
I wasn't trying to argue past vs. present, I was trying to go down the line. From Magic to MJ, to Shaq/Duncan, to Nash/Kobe, to now with Kobe/Lebron. I wouldn't argue, oh 2003 Spurs beat 2009 Lakers, who knows.
I'm also saying that right now, Kobe is on a level that I've never seen him reach, and at a level I only saw MJ reach during his first 3peat. When the Lakers win, I think the argument is closed over Kobe/LeBron, until LeBron comes back with a winning team, Kobe will have won the argument. It's more like late 80's, you know MJ is waiting for his turn, but Magic and Bird were just on top of their game.
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Not implying you'd argue past teams vs current ones. Just wanted to cement to anyone reading that might want to say "yeah well 2000 Duncan wouldn't have done shit against 09 Kobe".
I personally don't see what makes Kobe this year or one of the first 3peat Jordan any higher than what Bird did in the 83/84 playoffs. But whatever.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 08:43:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on June 06, 2009, 08:26:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 08:12:25 AM ---My point is still clear M Dogg, as long as you still even have to argue it Kobe is not the current MJ. There was no argument when MJ had the crown. People even argue if he hadn't retired in the first place the Bulls would have had 8 straight titles. I'm not saying Kobe isn't the best right now. I'm saying if he is he isn't as much better than the rest as Jordan was better than the rest. And he also wasn't in the argument as long as Larry and Magic were (not yet anyway). He also isn't yet as much better than the rest as Shaq and Duncan were. If he wins this series the way he won last game then he might be. If he wins next year too then he definitely will be.
I don't like comparing Duncan or Shaq then vs Kobe now would lose because I don't know. Would any of the Championship team Spurs lose to this years Lakers? I don't know. They can never play each other. Would Shaq in his prime on this years Magic beat these Lakers? It's not possible to know.
But it is possible to judge whether Kobe is considered on top the same way Jordan was, and the result of that as of right now is no he isn't on top the same way.
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As I was saying though, it seemed like last year was built as Kobe's year, the NBA put money into the Lakers/Celtics, and the whole best player vs. 3 all-stars. This year, they wanted Lebron/Kobe bad, with Lebron winning. They are building to the MJ/Magic series.
I wasn't trying to argue past vs. present, I was trying to go down the line. From Magic to MJ, to Shaq/Duncan, to Nash/Kobe, to now with Kobe/Lebron. I wouldn't argue, oh 2003 Spurs beat 2009 Lakers, who knows.
I'm also saying that right now, Kobe is on a level that I've never seen him reach, and at a level I only saw MJ reach during his first 3peat. When the Lakers win, I think the argument is closed over Kobe/LeBron, until LeBron comes back with a winning team, Kobe will have won the argument. It's more like late 80's, you know MJ is waiting for his turn, but Magic and Bird were just on top of their game.
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Not implying you'd argue past teams vs current ones. Just wanted to cement to anyone reading that might want to say "yeah well 2000 Duncan wouldn't have done shit against 09 Kobe".
I personally don't see what makes Kobe this year or one of the first 3peat Jordan any higher than what Bird did in the 83/84 playoffs. But whatever.
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Not much, other than most people here grew up on MJ, so they love him, and Kobe is doing it now, so it's relevant, but Bird was back when I was 3, and I'm an elder around here, so it's not in people's minds. Now my brother in laws, since my wife is the youngest of 5, are all older, and they still talk about Bird like it was yesterday. So it's all who your crowd is.
PLANT:
If anyone in this section should have an objective opinion on things, it should be our MOD....NIK sounds like such a lil whiney bitch all the fucking time, its rediculous. NIK has nothing to offer in this section because you ALWAYS know what youre going to get from him....A bunch of bullshit posts about he is right and everyone is wrong, and how his opinion matters most...Terrible choice for a moderator
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2009, 11:57:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 05, 2009, 08:42:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2009, 08:31:56 PM ---daygostylz is retarded, foreal...he doesn't realize we've been over this many times before. i've explained so many times in the past how lebron's hype in the media is mostly over financial purposes, yet he keeps bringing up how the media makes claims of lebron being better. lebron is closer to a carmelo or a wade than he is to a kobe. there is nothing "slow" about that, idiot...the only thing slow is you not getting that the NBA is trying it's hardest to act like lebron is on kobes level so that they can fabricate a rivalry. watch 'em play. lebron has a ways to go before he sees kobe. did u watch the lakers-cleveland matchups? LOL...PeACe
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lol and the government is watching your home....probably tapping your phone so they can set you up. I agree, the media does do this with players. Theyve dont it ever since MJ retired. And they did it with Kobe at one point (sure u didnt complain then). The thing is, like ive said...the media (ESPN included), is always looking for the next MJ. Theyre DYING for the next MJ. And they will ride someone who they think might become that, once they think there is no longer a chance of that happening...they stop riding them. Once they realized Kobe was never going to be the next MJ, they jumped to the next guy. They arent stupid, they dont just pick any old player. They pick players who they see as being great, or potentially great. EVERYone has been raving over LeBron since he hit the league. He's a freak the likes of which the league has just never seen before. He's better then Kobe at this age, he's better then Magic, Bird, Dr J, even MJ...at THIS age. The consensus out there has been, and still is, that LeBron knows how to keep his teammates interested in a game more then Kobe...which is part of why he is looked at as a better leader. This is how things are. You can argue it with your Kobe bias all you want. But like I said, Im not even a fan of LeBron...or Kobe. I just see things from the outside with no bias one way or the other. They can both fail for all I care, it wouldnt matter to me.
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Kobe is the only thing comparable to MJ since MJ and that's final. Kobe is the only current player in the NBA with the skillset to retire as the GOAT if he plays his cards right...face it. the LeBron hype is ridiculous, and you know it...PeACe
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lol yeah thats the common consensus...Kobe will surpass Jordan. lol You live in a fantasy world NIK, and obviously will never join the rest of us who have to use these crazy things called common sense and logic in our arguments. You know damn well, as does everyone else on here...Kobe will NEVER, i repeat NEVER surpass Jordan lol. Kobe could win 5 more titles, and still not be seen as being on Jordans level. The NBA (or most sports for that matter) has never been about numbers, or even titles when youre rating players. Bill Russell has more titles then Jordan, but no one would say he was better all time then MJ. Karl Malone has more points, but no one would say Malone> Jordan. Kobe has absolutely NO chance at surpassing him. Everyone else knows that. The reason the media is jumping on LeBron so much this year, is because they (just like many others) feel he might have a legitimate shot at becoming the GOAT. They realize Kobe will not, and thats why they focus on LeBron. They arent stupid. Kobe is ONLY comparable to Jordan because of his style of a play, not the quality of it.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: PLANT on June 06, 2009, 10:05:56 AM ---Terrible choice for a moderator
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thats obvious
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