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Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 14, 2009, 11:37:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on June 14, 2009, 11:17:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on June 14, 2009, 10:11:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: el creepo on June 14, 2009, 09:31:51 PM ---^ I disagree in a sense
7 over 6 would do it, in my opinion
but until he even gets 6, he shouldn't be mentioned in front of Jordan
5 still won't be enough, he needs 6 or 7 to even argue about the 2 players
7 is insane though, I think that would say somethin.. ya know?
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I get what youre saying. I just think there are SO many factors to being an all time great. Kobe will, without a doubt, go down as one of the best all time players. This is the reason I dont see Kobe ever surpassing Jordan. When Jordan was in the league, there were a ton of great players before him. There was Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, etc...etc. BUT, in the midst of his career...there was already no doubt that he was the best ever. You KNEW you were watching the best player ever. There was hardly any debate against it. Kobe, being in the later part of his career, is still trying to prove he is the best Laker ever.
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what you have is someone who's in position to pass Jordan, and it wasn't until Jordan's comeback that you truly knew he was the greatest. In the first 3 peat, you saw greatness, and people put him up there with the greats, but there was a ton of people that still argued Russell or Magic was the greatest, that Wilt was more dominate or that Larry Bird had that will. What Jordan did in the second 3 peat was rest all doubts, and in the decline of his career, he continued to dominate everyone, he was more dominate that a young Shaq, he had more will to win than anyone else in NBA history, and his leadership skills were so far advance that only Magic Johnson could have had the loyalty Jordan had. Jordan put to rest everythingi in his second comeback. He retires striking out in minor league baseball, his one of the all time greats, but his not the greatest, that's for debate.
Muhammad Ali called himself the greatest. But until he beat George Foreman, and showed his will to win, he wasn't the greatest in peoples minds. His in the conversation with Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano, but his not the greatest. Kobe Bryant right now, is at the down slope of his career. He has 2 or 3 more prime years, and then it's that time were you hold on too long. Jordan originally retired at the age of 35, the time when most are in their twilight, but MJ was arguably still the best in the world, and proved it by winning titles. Kobe, if his to be in the conversation with MJ has to win. And win and win and win and win, and not only win, but beat Lebron James, beat the Celtics with KG and Pierce, beat the Magic with Superman, beat everyone put in his way, because the only way he can even be looked at MJ's level is by stepping up, and showing that will to win. He does not have to be at his physical best, in fact when calling our GOATs, we don't look for that, it seems people look for who can do it for a long period of time and who can do it even when their knees give out, and they should be bed ridden with the flu and when they are against someone younger and more physically dominating than them. I say this, if Kobe wins 3 more titles, and beats LeBron for at least the last one, and retires, we'll look at it as Muhammad beating Foreman, and Kobe goes out the GOAT. If Kobe loses to Lebron, we'll look at it as Magic losing to MJ, and the passing of the torch and Kobe goes with West, Magic, Russell, Wilt, and all the others in that argument over second best.
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My point was, that Jordan was a special case. A RARE case in any sport. In our lifetime we havent seen it in baseball, or football. The only other sport WE'VE seen it in, is golf with Tiger Woods. At this point in Jordans career, it was already known that he was the greatest. In a sport with such a long history (like any of out major sports), for someone to be truly recognized as the greatest (with little to no debate about it), they will have to be the clear cut greatest while they are still in the prime of their career. They cant be fighting for their place in history towards the end of their careers. The reason Jordan is the greatest still, is because we ALL knew he was the best ever far before his career was over. The reason we know Tiger will go down as the greatest golfer ever, is because its already evident far before his career is over. There havent been any other athletes in US sports that you can say that about in our lifetime so far. Even Ali did not have that status DURING his career.
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it's a situational thing, buddy...you act like marketing had nothing to do with Jordan's God-like status while he was playing. LOL.the fact that Jordan got to be in the shoes he was in doesnt mean he was a better player SKILLWISE. I believe Kobe placed in Jordan's shoes woulda won 8 straight, considering he woulda never retired for baseball after the first threepeat.
Teddy Roosevelt:
VVVVVVVVV
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 15, 2009, 03:44:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 15, 2009, 03:43:59 PM --- Jordan on the court was nothing less then awe-inspiring. Fans and opponents were in awe of Jordan. Kobe doesnt inspire that same kind of reaction.
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LOLLLL...greatest hater quote of all time.
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Then why did you say it? ;D
Fuck Your Existence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/E4sQfSbPU1o
barry can eat a dick though
Tha A:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on June 14, 2009, 10:11:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: el creepo on June 14, 2009, 09:31:51 PM ---^ I disagree in a sense
7 over 6 would do it, in my opinion
but until he even gets 6, he shouldn't be mentioned in front of Jordan
5 still won't be enough, he needs 6 or 7 to even argue about the 2 players
7 is insane though, I think that would say somethin.. ya know?
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I get what youre saying. I just think there are SO many factors to being an all time great. Kobe will, without a doubt, go down as one of the best all time players. This is the reason I dont see Kobe ever surpassing Jordan. When Jordan was in the league, there were a ton of great players before him. There was Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, etc...etc. BUT, in the midst of his career...there was already no doubt that he was the best ever. You KNEW you were watching the best player ever. There was hardly any debate against it. Kobe, being in the later part of his career, is still trying to prove he is the best Laker ever.
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what you have is someone who's in position to pass Jordan, and it wasn't until Jordan's comeback that you truly knew he was the greatest. In the first 3 peat, you saw greatness, and people put him up there with the greats, but there was a ton of people that still argued Russell or Magic was the greatest, that Wilt was more dominate or that Larry Bird had that will. What Jordan did in the second 3 peat was rest all doubts, and in the decline of his career, he continued to dominate everyone, he was more dominate that a young Shaq, he had more will to win than anyone else in NBA history, and his leadership skills were so far advance that only Magic Johnson could have had the loyalty Jordan had. Jordan put to rest everythingi in his second comeback. He retires striking out in minor league baseball, his one of the all time greats, but his not the greatest, that's for debate.
Muhammad Ali called himself the greatest. But until he beat George Foreman, and showed his will to win, he wasn't the greatest in peoples minds. His in the conversation with Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano, but his not the greatest. Kobe Bryant right now, is at the down slope of his career. He has 2 or 3 more prime years, and then it's that time were you hold on too long. Jordan originally retired at the age of 35, the time when most are in their twilight, but MJ was arguably still the best in the world, and proved it by winning titles. Kobe, if his to be in the conversation with MJ has to win. And win and win and win and win, and not only win, but beat Lebron James, beat the Celtics with KG and Pierce, beat the Magic with Superman, beat everyone put in his way, because the only way he can even be looked at MJ's level is by stepping up, and showing that will to win. He does not have to be at his physical best, in fact when calling our GOATs, we don't look for that, it seems people look for who can do it for a long period of time and who can do it even when their knees give out, and they should be bed ridden with the flu and when they are against someone younger and more physically dominating than them. I say this, if Kobe wins 3 more titles, and beats LeBron for at least the last one, and retires, we'll look at it as Muhammad beating Foreman, and Kobe goes out the GOAT. If Kobe loses to Lebron, we'll look at it as Magic losing to MJ, and the passing of the torch and Kobe goes with West, Magic, Russell, Wilt, and all the others in that argument over second best.
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on point
--- Quote from: ^ReLentLess^ on June 15, 2009, 06:17:17 PM ---http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/E4sQfSbPU1o
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simply amazing
Chamillitary Click:
lol, why do rings count for so much if his team is stacked? plus, how does it determine how good you are on an all-time scale?
if they win next year would you seriously throw Derek Fisher in discussions for one of the greatest point gaurds ever?
would Pau be right up their with Shaq? ???
would Bynum be better than Dwight? ???
give CP3 the Lakers squad minus Kobe & he would win, give LeBron them, he would win.
Robert Horry >>> Karl Malone? ???
i bring up this argument all the time & it's blantantly ignored because you guys really want to believe that the total amount of rings you have determines how good of a basketball player you are.
it's a team game until you talk about whose the best; Kobe has his chance to do it alone, he barely won 40 games.
no doubt it's a great team, no doubt Kobe could be the best player in the game & one of the best all time.
but to say he could be the best ever if he wins one or two more on an amazing team is crazy.
point is, it's really funny how Bill Russel's 11 rings doesn't automatically make him the best ever (according to these standards), but Kobe winning one more (5) automatically makes him the best ever lol.
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