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Chamillitary Click:
^in every single sport, if you are the better player on your team, you are judged with the greats by the number of rings you have.
if Kobe never won any rings, the comparison to Jordan would never even come.
Baseball is the only sport that you can go down as an all time great & never win a ring.
if Marino could have won 3-4 rings, he would be the best or second best to Montana, but since he lacks them, other people who have won them are brought into the conversation over him.
would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.
the man throws for 53 (right?) touchdowns in a single season & that's just luck or something?
i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".
when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.
point is, Peyton is the best. yeah, we get it. no thanks to his recievers, but all him. but Brady may not be as skilled as some of the greatest of all time, but he should be considered one of greatest because he is a winner. you hand Rex Grossman the team & you never win the Superbowl, Brady can get it done; plus he is clutch when it counts.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 19, 2009, 10:27:24 AM ---^in every single sport, if you are the better player on your team, you are judged with the greats by the number of rings you have.
if Kobe never won any rings, the comparison to Jordan would never even come.
Baseball is the only sport that you can go down as an all time great & never win a ring.
if Marino could have won 3-4 rings, he would be the best or second best to Montana, but since he lacks them, other people who have won them are brought into the conversation over him.
would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.
the man throws for 53 (right?) touchdowns in a single season & that's just luck or something?
i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".
when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.
point is, Peyton is the best. yeah, we get it. no thanks to his recievers, but all him. but Brady may not be as skilled as some of the greatest of all time, but he should be considered one of greatest because he is a winner. you hand Rex Grossman the team & you never win the Superbowl, Brady can get it done; plus he is clutch when it counts.
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1 - Marino gets three of 4 rings and he blows Montana out of the convo. I like Joe Cool but they never lost a step after he left. Miami still can't find a QB to replace Dan. Marino is still argued as the best all time. Ring or not. The only guys that get mentioned above him in argument are Montana, Favre, and Unitas. When as anyone ever said Bradshaw was better than Marino?
2. Basketball is a sport where one guy can control a team on both sides of the ball. Football is not. That's why Barry Sanders is still argued as the best RB ever and has no rings on his hand. Anyone that thinks the Cowboys would have lost any of those SBs with out Emmit and Sanders instead should be committed to an asylum. If either Sanders replaced Smith or Marino replaced Aikman those Cowboys would have been 4 straight champs, and if both Sanders and Marino were on those Cowboys teams they've have had 5 or 6 Rings each. And no one argues Bart Starr as the best ever and he has like 5 rings. Seymour, Bruschii, and a few others all have 3 rings each. Why aren't they mentioned as the absolute best ever in their positions and get shoved down our throats?
3. The answer to that is marketing. The football sells the game with QBs and stories. Tom Brady is a bona fide star and it hurts the league if they speak out against him. Big Ben played like shit that first year Pit won, especially in that game but no one goes out of the way to say that. They protect their QBs off the field just as much as on the field in the NFL. It would make no sense for the NFL, or anyone related to the NFL to say Brady is a system guy that wouldn't have a job today if he started with the Bills. No one wants to hear that. They want a rivalry, and Manning vs Brady is just that, even though it isn't. If it was really Manning vs Brady they've have a exhibition game where each QB plays with the same team against the same defense with the same OC and then we'd see who performs better for real. It'd be Manning every time.
OG Hack Wilson:
joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson on October 19, 2009, 07:49:14 PM ---joe montana > steve young > dan marino
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Joey is first. ;D
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 19, 2009, 08:07:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson on October 19, 2009, 07:49:14 PM ---joe montana > steve young > dan marino
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Joey is first. ;D
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well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
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