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Quote from: Shallow on November 01, 2009, 10:03:00 PMThey'd still be 1-6 if Vince played all year. They're completely brutal pass D in the first previous 5 games is what did them in. They were a complete different team this week and with Collins they still would have won. I usually agree with u, but not on this 1. I watch us week in, week out. Young keeping the offense on the field was the largest KEY. Collins can't do that, and that contributes to the defensive woes (when your always on the field). In the first quarter, our offense kept the ball for about 13-14 mins; pre-Young, we were last in the league on average time of possession. Another thing is turnovers. Of course your defense is going to be bad when the offense turns it over as much as Collins as by himself (averaging more than 1 turn over per game). Young didn't turn it over today.All of this contributes to the poor play and 1-6 start. All things Young made us avoid today.And the "collins would have won this one" pisses me off the most. He PLAYED THIS TEAM A MONTH AGO AND GOT KILLED. Everything would have been different with Collins in; less points, less 3rd down conversions, more sacks taken, defense on the field longer, less offensive time, etc. That's not assumption. Check his numbers. Collins is NOT going to spin out of a John Henderson sack and run for a first down lol.
They'd still be 1-6 if Vince played all year. They're completely brutal pass D in the first previous 5 games is what did them in. They were a complete different team this week and with Collins they still would have won.
^Ight. I ain't gon' argue. Let's see how he does against Buffalo & SF.
Quote from: Lunatic 63 on November 01, 2009, 10:50:11 PM^Ight. I ain't gon' argue. Let's see how he does against Buffalo & SF.Fair enough. He performs well against my Bills super deep pass D and I'll give him credit. But if my man Jairus Byrd picks a hat-trick off him....
lunatic, you'd probably kill an innocent old nun for Vince to put up stats like ELi Manning or Big Ben
He pretty much did it to himself. He secluded himself from the team and acted like a immature kid. I glad for VY but i mean I think the majority of the ppl hated on him for the way he acted and not the way he performed on the field.
i always looked at Vince as a "poor man's Vick"and Vick as a "poor man's Cunningham" lol