Chris Johnson Named Offensive POY

[Shallow]

172.2 rushing yards per game >>> 125.4 rushing yards per game.

it's simple math & consistancy is a million times more valuable.

you two are cute though.

Simple math, and you can't figure it out. You are comparing the average rush yards of 12 players to one player. 313 of your rush yards came from Sanchez and Brad Smith. So right away your 172.2 turns into 152.7, and then take away another 170 yards that Woodhead, Clemens, Cotchery, Keller, Clowney, Richardson, and Weatherford accounted for and your 152.7 turns into 142.1 per game. So per game rushing Jones, Washington and Greene amounted to 16.7 more yards than CJ, but in total offensive yards your three stooges amounted to 2.9 LESS yards per game than the lone Chris Johnson. And since this started with CJ vs Jones/Greene I'll post the ypg game rush yards and scrimmage yards;

CJ = 125.4 rushing, and 156.8 scrimmage

Jones/Greene = 121.4 rushing, and 125 scrimmage


So tell me again, why would you rather have Jones and Greene than CJ. I'm curious.

[Lunatic]

^if it was realistic, he'd trade Greene/Jones for CJ in a split second

[Chamillitary Click]

^if it was realistic, he'd trade Greene/Jones for CJ in a split second

until his small frame (for a Football player) hurts himself & he's done because he plays on pure speed.

if they made the trade i wouldn't disapprove, but i wouldn't run & scream for joy; because look at Leon; if he was our only back we're out.

& Shallow, we're talking about rushing; our package is better than his lone package; if his rushing was "that" much more valuable, i think the Titans would have a playoffs game this weekend.

& don't come in here & talk about how the Jets are good & "now you're comparing teams", because i had to sit here all year & listen to all of you, besides Hack & JayDC, about how much the Jets suck & how the team in scrubbish.

thennn, don't bring up "the Titans had Kerry Collins" because then you guys shat on Mark Sanchez on how bad he is lol.

so in the end, our rushing attack proved to be more prolific than the 2,006 yard man.

[Lunatic]

until his small frame (for a Football player) hurts himself & he's done because he plays on pure speed.

if they made the trade i wouldn't disapprove, but i wouldn't run & scream for joy; because look at Leon; if he was our only back we're out.

& Shallow, we're talking about rushing; our package is better than his lone package; if his rushing was "that" much more valuable, i think the Titans would have a playoffs game this weekend.

& don't come in here & talk about how the Jets are good & "now you're comparing teams", because i had to sit here all year & listen to all of you, besides Hack & JayDC, about how much the Jets suck & how the team in scrubbish.

thennn, don't bring up "the Titans had Kerry Collins" because then you guys shat on Mark Sanchez on how bad he is lol.

so in the end, our rushing attack proved to be more prolific than the 2,006 yard man.

anyone can get hurt at any given time, his small frame won't hurt him..he's been a work horse and had 1 injury in his career, so i don't take that argument seriously at all until he actually gets hurt.

u mention Collins well rush wise if Young was the QB for the first 6 games, our rush total is probably higher than yours (young started 6 less games than most legit starting qb's and he finished what, 2nd in qb rush yards? he's the top rusher at qb  if he plays every game and with a 2,000 yard rusher, we would have the top rush attack)

our lack of a playoff game is not his fault..he had 300 yards against Houston and we still lost..we clearly can't put this on him (qb play for first 6 weeks and defense is the reason)

[OG Hack Wilson]

thats a nice award for someone who's team is not currently in the playoffs


unlike SHONN GREENE and the JETS

You saying if it was possible you wouldn't trade Greene for CJ right now for the Chargers game?

when did i say that??  



and the answer is no because the cap situation would not work

[Lunatic]

and the answer is no because the cap situation would not work

lol

[Shallow]

^if it was realistic, he'd trade Greene/Jones for CJ in a split second

until his small frame (for a Football player) hurts himself & he's done because he plays on pure speed.

if they made the trade i wouldn't disapprove, but i wouldn't run & scream for joy; because look at Leon; if he was our only back we're out.

& Shallow, we're talking about rushing; our package is better than his lone package; if his rushing was "that" much more valuable, i think the Titans would have a playoffs game this weekend.

& don't come in here & talk about how the Jets are good & "now you're comparing teams", because i had to sit here all year & listen to all of you, besides Hack & JayDC, about how much the Jets suck & how the team in scrubbish.

thennn, don't bring up "the Titans had Kerry Collins" because then you guys shat on Mark Sanchez on how bad he is lol.

so in the end, our rushing attack proved to be more prolific than the 2,006 yard man.

Just admit you got the math wrong. And I was never talking about just rushing. When a player puts up 500 pass yards to go with his 2000 rush yards, that means something (only one Jets WR has more than 500 yards, and two are at 500 yards). Hack poked fun at CJ for not being on a playoff team and then boasted the name Shonn Greene. I just made an obvious statement through a rhetorical question that CJ is miles ahead of Shonn Greene. And if for this coming week the Jets could dump Green for CJ they would with out thinking about it because it's the easiest decision in the world. You get a way better runner and  you get a receiving threat. Just tell me you would turn that down.

Jones was brought up by me when I showed that even when you add the Jets top back this year that their two backs right now aren't as productive as the 1 CJ. Then I asserted that CJ would have been the difference in a few of those close games and would have made them more dangerous. The Titans have one less win than the Jets in the season despite having the 28th ranked defense in points. The Jets have the first ranked defense in points, and one more win. You say that it was the Jets run game that got them in ahead of the Titans? I argue all year that a QB can't get you into a the playoffs. You think I'll argue for a fucking running back? Give the Titans an average points allowed of 14.8 and you know what their record is? 12-4, maybe 13-3. The Jets have the best D and can't even get 10 wins. The Jets and Titans had about the same offense all year but the defense, especially in the first half is what made the difference, and even then it was only because, as you said it, God came in the form of Curtis Painter.

Now as for who should win offensive player of the year; wins of a team don't matter. We aren't judging value with regards to wins which is what an MVP is. We are judging offensive stats and CJ wins that by a landslide. He was the best offensive player in the league. Just like if a CB on a 4-12 team ever got 20 INTs, 5 forced fumbles, and 4 defensive TDs he'd win defensive player of the year, but not MVP because his value towards winning wasn't that great. MVP should always be based on how well would the team do with out him, and that's it, as far as I'm concerned.

[Lunatic]

Shallow owns

[Chamillitary Click]

^if it was realistic, he'd trade Greene/Jones for CJ in a split second

until his small frame (for a Football player) hurts himself & he's done because he plays on pure speed.

if they made the trade i wouldn't disapprove, but i wouldn't run & scream for joy; because look at Leon; if he was our only back we're out.

& Shallow, we're talking about rushing; our package is better than his lone package; if his rushing was "that" much more valuable, i think the Titans would have a playoffs game this weekend.

& don't come in here & talk about how the Jets are good & "now you're comparing teams", because i had to sit here all year & listen to all of you, besides Hack & JayDC, about how much the Jets suck & how the team in scrubbish.

thennn, don't bring up "the Titans had Kerry Collins" because then you guys shat on Mark Sanchez on how bad he is lol.

so in the end, our rushing attack proved to be more prolific than the 2,006 yard man.

Just admit you got the math wrong. And I was never talking about just rushing. When a player puts up 500 pass yards to go with his 2000 rush yards, that means something (only one Jets WR has more than 500 yards, and two are at 500 yards). Hack poked fun at CJ for not being on a playoff team and then boasted the name Shonn Greene. I just made an obvious statement through a rhetorical question that CJ is miles ahead of Shonn Greene. And if for this coming week the Jets could dump Green for CJ they would with out thinking about it because it's the easiest decision in the world. You get a way better runner and  you get a receiving threat. Just tell me you would turn that down.

Jones was brought up by me when I showed that even when you add the Jets top back this year that their two backs right now aren't as productive as the 1 CJ. Then I asserted that CJ would have been the difference in a few of those close games and would have made them more dangerous. The Titans have one less win than the Jets in the season despite having the 28th ranked defense in points. The Jets have the first ranked defense in points, and one more win. You say that it was the Jets run game that got them in ahead of the Titans? I argue all year that a QB can't get you into a the playoffs. You think I'll argue for a fucking running back? Give the Titans an average points allowed of 14.8 and you know what their record is? 12-4, maybe 13-3. The Jets have the best D and can't even get 10 wins. The Jets and Titans had about the same offense all year but the defense, especially in the first half is what made the difference, and even then it was only because, as you said it, God came in the form of Curtis Painter.

Now as for who should win offensive player of the year; wins of a team don't matter. We aren't judging value with regards to wins which is what an MVP is. We are judging offensive stats and CJ wins that by a landslide. He was the best offensive player in the league. Just like if a CB on a 4-12 team ever got 20 INTs, 5 forced fumbles, and 4 defensive TDs he'd win defensive player of the year, but not MVP because his value towards winning wasn't that great. MVP should always be based on how well would the team do with out him, and that's it, as far as I'm concerned.

for your first paragraph, i don't know where you are going because i clearly stated i was talking about rushing lol & then i never said i wouldn't trade Shonn Greene for CJ lol.

for your second paragraph, i've heard, "it's Collins fault", "our record doesn't reflect this team", etc. & the same offense all year? speaking of God coming down in various forms, i heard the name "Vince Young" bounced around as if he was some sort of savior, not to mention i also heard all year that the Jets just suck, etc, etc.

it's like the Yankees, the entire season people just shit on them, say how bad they are, how they have no chance at winning in the Post Season & then when they win, it's expected & they are stacked & when they get bounced out in the first round it was just expected because they "aren't good"; same for the Jets. "they suck, they suck, they suck" & then when it comes down to comparing teams the Jets are suddenly some godly defense that makes their record looks foolish; meanwhile since Week 4, they haven't been good lol.

& last but not least, for you third paragraph, i don't know what you're trying to imply, because i didn't say anything about Chris Johnson not deserving the Offensive Player of the Year. he's had my vote since i said he was running the show in Tennessee & was then told Vince Young is the reason for the turn-a-round lol.

Shallow owns

i too, find it really easy to co-sign people fighting arguments in my personal favor lol.

just make sure you make an apperance in the next Peyton Manning related thread, when i try to take the "Jesus" out of his middle name; it would mean a lot to your boy.

[Lunatic]

^ I hate Peyton Manning with a passion but I can't deny his greatness

[Chamillitary Click]

^ I hate Peyton Manning with a passion but I can't deny his greatness

the funny thing is, me either.

[Shallow]

for your first paragraph, i don't know where you are going because i clearly stated i was talking about rushing lol & then i never said i wouldn't trade Shonn Greene for CJ lol.

Ok fine, ever if we ingore the pass yards, it's still CJ>Greene/Jones no matter how you look at the numbers of just the three parties involved.

for your second paragraph, i've heard, "it's Collins fault", "our record doesn't reflect this team", etc. & the same offense all year? speaking of God coming down in various forms, i heard the name "Vince Young" bounced around as if he was some sort of savior, not to mention i also heard all year that the Jets just suck, etc, etc.

You never any of that from me. I defended Collins through out the entire Vince explosion. I also gave the Jets every credit they deserved and not once bashed them.

it's like the Yankees, the entire season people just shit on them, say how bad they are, how they have no chance at winning in the Post Season & then when they win, it's expected & they are stacked & when they get bounced out in the first round it was just expected because they "aren't good"; same for the Jets. "they suck, they suck, they suck" & then when it comes down to comparing teams the Jets are suddenly some godly defense that makes their record looks foolish; meanwhile since Week 4, they haven't been good lol.

I never called the defense Godly or said they were shit. But week for week they had a better D than Tennessee and it's mainly because of the first 6 weeks where with a better D the Titans would have gotten 2 or 3 wins rather than zero, in my opinion.

& last but not least, for you third paragraph, i don't know what you're trying to imply, because i didn't say anything about Chris Johnson not deserving the Offensive Player of the Year. he's had my vote since i said he was running the show in Tennessee & was then told Vince Young is the reason for the turn-a-round lol.

You said if CJ's rushing was more valuable than Greene/Jones the Titans would have made the playoffs. I responded to that. One I never said he was MVP and two, offensive player should rely on wins/losses at all. A DE gets 30 sacks next year and he gets defensive player even if his team is 0-16. If we agree, that's great.

Shallow owns

i too, find it really easy to co-sign people fighting arguments in my personal favor lol.

just make sure you make an apperance in the next Peyton Manning related thread, when i try to take the "Jesus" out of his middle name; it would mean a lot to your boy.
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Every time Manning has fucked up I've mentioned it first. I don't think he's untouchable, I just think he's on another level than any other QB right now. My argument through the years I've compared to NBA 90s vs 80s. People want Manning vs Brady to be seen as Bird and Magic. When it should be Jordan vs Ewing, Barkley, Malone, etc. And I hate Jordan more than you hate Manning.

[Chamillitary Click]

^no, no, no, no lol.

it's not in anyway ever intended to be Magic v. Bird.

the way it's portrayed here, it's like Kobe v. Sun Yue; Kobe arguably being the GOAT, no doubt HOFer, best player in the same today to Yue, not even deserving a spot on a roster, lucky to be in the league lol.

my entire argument for months has just been that Brady is better than Yue lol.

[Shallow]

^no, no, no, no lol.

it's not in anyway ever intended to be Magic v. Bird.

the way it's portrayed here, it's like Kobe v. Sun Yue; Kobe arguably being the GOAT, no doubt HOFer, best player in the same today to Yue, not even deserving a spot on a roster, lucky to be in the league lol.

my entire argument for months has just been that Brady is better than Yue lol.

I know where you stand. I respect that. It's where others stand that bother me. Even I confuse people with where I stand. I used to love Brady. Even a Bills fan really pulled for him that first year. The problems started when people started thinking he was better than Bledsoe, which I think both are equal. So when they started saying as good as Manning, or better than Manning, I stared getting upset. In fact it was the debate that turned me into a bigger Manning fan. I had two QBs my whole life while they were playing I was huge fans of; Jim Kelly and Doug Flutie. Manning after 03 I just realized how good he was. Wasn't even cheering much for him or cared, but I knew he was miles ahead of Brady.

For example I don't like Tiger Woods. I just don't. Never did. But if someone started getting in my ear about how Mickelson or Weir were just as good or better. I would argue that passionately. Not for Woods, but for me, and me being right and them wrong. Peyton winning MVPs and rings isn't important for me because I want Peyton to be happy or Brady to be sad. I just want to be right. It's a problem I have. But when I'm shown to be not right, like I was about Kobe not being able to lead I gladly admit I was wrong. If Brady ever put a team on his back and performed like a champ when the chips were down I'd feel bad I was wrong but I'd admit it. If in the Baltimore game he saw the blitzes and either scrambled or threw it to covered guys in tight spots with balls that should be completions, whether they were or weren't, I'd say he showed me somethign. And if he did that on many occasions I'd put him with the elite.

[Chamillitary Click]

^it's cool, my man.

i like to argue with you anyway lol.

you actually have an argument & don't pull the "name calling" card out.

i respect it.