In light of Snoops poor numbers....wcc discussion

[King Tech Quadafi]

i think its been a while where we had a proper discussion

i was thinkin today...seeing as that snoops 1st week numbers for Paid the Cost is his 2nd worse, i was thinkin now whats up wit snoop?

peep

when i first heard the new snoop i was disappointed cuz it was too much f a mainsstream/east coast influence on it
its grown on me now, but i at the time was very upset however i realized one thing

since his debut snoop has made some amazing music that me, as a loyal fan, has experienced.  if snoop feels at this point and time that he wants to cement his legacy and appeal to more than his regular fan base, i figured aint nuthin wrong wit it . let others experience the joy of snoops music.

but now that snoops numbers are one of his worst, has snoops plan backfired? will he realize that unlike his peers Pac, Em, Jay z, Biggie etc he isnt as mega popular and appealing , and that he only has his loyal fan base?

whats the future?

[The Big Bad Ass]

He just needs to get over his pride and realize that until he hooks back up with dre almost exclusivly, he'll never sell like he did back in the early 90s.

[verbalassaulta]

his choice of producers and choice of guests(over use of kokane, all the east coast big names) are what ruin his last two solos...he needs to work with producers like dre, quik and even daz would be better than the neptunes, hi tek and whoever else did the garbage on paid the coast...he needs to keep himself what he is...keep the west coast sound..thats what made him

[Trauma-san]

I think what it is is this... Snoop's just havin'a  good time.  When he did Doggystyle, he HAD to do Doggystyle.  It had to be dope, he was young, he was new, he let the DOC and RBX and Dre tell him what to do, and they molded the metal into the greatest rap album of all time.  Snoop has god given talent, for real.  Most of it is Charisma, and you can't buy that... when you take that, his great voice, his decent lyrical ability, and add in the greatest hiphop producer of all time, RBX who is just amazing with Flow, and the DOC who is just amazing with Lyrics, you come up with an amazing album.

Since then, it ain't been nothing like that.  Dre don't need to bust his ass to do a dope album for Snoop.  Snoop don't need to bust his ass to do a dope album, either, he's got his.  

Snoop's ACTUALLY gotten BETTER since doggystyle.  He is much, much better today in pretty much every aspect, but now a days, he don't care about making classics and stuff, he's just tryna have fun.  He ain't gonna sit down and analyze his lyrics to make sure they're perfect, he ain't gonna record lead vocals 40 times to get the flow just perfect.  He doesn't have a producer that's gonna sit down and work on each track measure by measure for weeks to get it exactly perfect.  

Snoop's got to the point where he can just walk in and freestyle stuff.  I'm not gonna say that's why his songs suck, but I'm pretty convinced that some of his stuff was written in just a few minutes right before he recorded it, just off the top of his dome.  He can make a decent song that way, but he ain't never gonna have another "Doggystyle" doin that.

Look at "The One And Only" , "Batman", and "Pimp'd Slapped" on his new album.  Look at the care they put into those songs, and it shows... The one and Only, the lyrics are just on point.  His voice is perfect, he probably did that take 30 times to get it perfect.  The beat is great, he got one of the greatest to come in and structure that crap around his voice.  They put time in it, and it's great.  Doggystyle, the whole album was like that, they put time in every track.  Whether yall wanna admit it or not, "The One and Only" is as good as the stuff on Doggystyle.  

Look at "Batman and Robin".  It's just a throw away concept song, but since he got a good producer, and a SUPREME lyricist and Emcee, Rage, on the track, it's near classic, and very original.  His lyrics are dope as hell, he's got that great drawl in his voice, just a dope song.

Look at "Pimp'd Slapped".  He knew he had to make his diss song dope, so the lyrics are great, for snoop.  That's some of his best lyrics in years, and his voice is perfect again, it sounds just like his flow on "Gin and Juice", I think.  He brought back the "WBallz" DJ EZ Dick, spent plenty of time on it, and got a decent beat, it sounds great.  Look how he flows when he's rhyming all those Bloods he knows, that's some tight stuff like ONLY snoop can do, "A day in the life of a rollin' 20 crip, I'm just a stubborn typa fella with a head like a brick... and just because I sip moet, they say that I'm hopeless... but I don't give a fuck, so blame it on the Locc'ness"  Come on yall.  That's classic, nobody flows quite like that.  

It's all about Snoop WANTING to make good stuff.  He dont' want to make an album like Doggystyle that's just perfect anymore, he'd rather make a diverse album with cuts not everybody is gonna like.  

[Woodrow]

"A day in the life of a rollin' 20 crip, I'm just a stubborn typa fella with a head like a brick... and just because I sip moet, they say that I'm hopeless... but I don't give a fuck, so blame it on the Locc'ness"  Come on yall.  That's classic, nobody flows quite like that.  

Yeah, Quik came tight on that one  


Does anybody know how much last meal did in it's first week? I thought it was around this nubmer but I'm probably wrong...

I did some searching on http://www.riaa.com and found out that every snoop dogg album has gone platinum or platinum plus. I'm sure that this album will be no exception. I'm really suprised that "From the church to the palace" hasn't gotten more radio play. It's produced by the neptunes and IMHO, is one of the better songs out there right now. It's not even on the hot97 playlist, but you know how they are  

I hope that once more people hear that track, they go out and pick up his album... Perhpas this one is gonna be a slow starter, and pick up steam later on?

I bought it and Im happy with it, that's all I know

[DPGC2003]

Jigga really is kind of a phenomenon the way he releases an album every year and goes gold the first week...Eminem is on another planet these days but lets see where he is in 2008...I guarantee he won't be selling a million right out of the gate...Snoop had a resurgance in popularity with his last album just a few years after everyone thought he was finished after releasing Da Game...I'm not ready to kill this album though yet, Damn it's been only a week, he still is going to sell 1-1.5 million...

[Trauma-san]

"A day in the life of a rollin' 20 crip, I'm just a stubborn typa fella with a head like a brick... and just because I sip moet, they say that I'm hopeless... but I don't give a fuck, so blame it on the Locc'ness"  Come on yall.  That's classic, nobody flows quite like that.  

Yeah, Quik came tight on that one  

HAHAHA, whoops.  O.K., my entire argument is invalid now.  

[Woodrow]

It's still a good argument cause if you look at it from the gang perspective, It's just another way of paying respect to the bloods. Along with shouting out all the Blood's he's cool with, he used Quik's verse and showed more respect.

[platinumk777]

Engel-Rock... to answer your question, Last Meal had sold 394,000 copies in the 1st week. I remember it very well.

Trauma... you make an excellent point that I failed to realize. Snoop's just havin' fun now cause he made it, and he just wants to diversify, and try new things out. But at the end, it's the sales that count, although I hate to say it. And with Snoop barely pusing 200K copies in the first week, he just can't afford to continue at this rate, and "experiment". I mean, let's face it, this diversification process started at "Da Game...", and since that album, sales for Snoop have declined (even though Snoop went back to his roots a bit with Top Dogg). I mean, it's good to see Snoop diversify and all, but don't make a WHOLE album of it. That's what guest appearances and soundtracks are for. HIS albums need to be trademark Snoop e.g. Top Dogg, Doggfather & of course, Doggystyle.

This being said, I totally agree with the statement done by HRH Prince Tech Quadafi... what IS the future? Will Snoop finally realize with these sales that he MIGHT NOT be as big as he thinks? That the only people buying his albums are his loyal fans?

I always use this argument of mine, which might not be totally accurate, but nonetheless... Snoop sold 6M copies with Doggystyle, and his last album, Last Meal (too early to use Paid Tha Cost as an example) sold 1.5M. Where did those 4.5M sales go? Ironic how Snoop is adopting new beats & styles to appeal to a larger fan base, yet sales are declining. I hope he eventually realizes that attracting new fans doesn't mean having to diversify. He could keep on releasing his trademark material, and with all his loyal fans going berserk over it, this will grab the attention of new fans. In other words, do not go after them, they will come to you. Or something along those lines.  

Peace

[King Tech Quadafi]

trauma i understand what u sayin

but see with all my friends and everyone i know...
they ALL love the old snoop shit...and dont mind the nw shit....

its like..everyone and their mama loves doggstyle, nowadays peeps know who snoop is and matter of fact people these days like snoop more as a person than his music..

basically, the reason why  i respect Jay, Nas etc is cuz they
re determined to make classic albums....snoop needs to lock himself in a studio with daz, dre, fred, and doc...
str8 up

[DPGC2003]

The Doggystyle sales are an aberration, Snoop was the hottest name in rap back then, there was no one fucking with him...His debut was the highest selling debut album of all time 800,000 the first week...3 years later he sold under 500,000 of Doggfather first week and wound up selling 2 million...Since then his sales have been right there at 1.5 -2 million...I can't think of any other rapper whose been in the game 10 years who consistantly sells at 1.5-2 million each album...

[Big BpG]

I would love to hear some more classic westcoast music... but lately, all I hear are the crickets laying between the concrete streets... all my friends love everything but rap... the only rap album they do have is Doggystyle... since then... nothing has interested people with Snoop...

-Big BpG

[platinumk777]

all my friends love everything but rap... the only rap album they do have is Doggystyle... since then... nothing has interested people with Snoop...

see? that justifies my point.

"Do not go after them, they will come to you."

[ALKAHOLIK21]

He needs to make an album full of party anthems. look at doggystyle that album was nuttin but party songs that everyone could sing 2. Is there anyone that hasnt heard at least one doggystyle song at a party?

[Trauma-san]

trauma i understand what u sayin

but see with all my friends and everyone i know...
they ALL love the old snoop shit...and dont mind the nw shit....

its like..everyone and their mama loves doggstyle, nowadays peeps know who snoop is and matter of fact people these days like snoop more as a person than his music..

basically, the reason why  i respect Jay, Nas etc is cuz they
re determined to make classic albums....snoop needs to lock himself in a studio with daz, dre, fred, and doc...
str8 up

Yeah, I totally agree with what you're sayin.  I'm just sayin how I think Snoop's seein it... I don't think he's wanting the same things we're wanting out of an album.  I love his doggystyle stuff, and like this new stuff too, just not as much.  We'd all like to see him do that again, but it's a huge undertaking, and Dre's the biggest piece, Dre is NOT going to sit down and tell Snoop how to sing lines like he did on "Stranded on Death Row" anymore, it's never gonna be like that again with Dre puttin his all into Snoop's stuff he does.  The best Snoop can expect out of Dre right now is a dope beat.