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Why So Many Old People Are Stupid
Matty:
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--- Quote from: ikke on April 28, 2010, 11:40:24 AM ---Can you teach me how to make those long ass posts saying something that could fit into 1 or 2 sentences?
No Offence.
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I was explaining the process of how I had came to the same conclusion as the author of the article. I don't think my explanation was too long.
--- Quote from: ikke on April 28, 2010, 11:40:24 AM ---
On Topic:
You say it starts earlier because you see people from allot of age groups bragging about the same immature activities.
In your teens you develop your individuality, the difference between people becomes more obvious therefore you talk about subjects the others can relate to.
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I don't think that it is a matter of just talking about common activities to relate to one another. I understand the use of that. There's a lot of people I talk with about sports because it's hard to relate to them on any other subjects. So I know drinking alcohol, for example, is a common past time a lot of people can relate to at different ages.
But it's more than that. You can see the expression on a person's face change as they get older. They slowly become less open, set in their ways, and it is very difficult for them to continue to receive new idea's without becoming anxious. They do become less intelligent, and often more immature. I mean, look at the phenomenon of television shows with the father or adult male figure acting like a child all the time. That show "Jim", "Kings of Queens", "Simpsons", "Family Guy", Tim Allen's characters, Adam Sandlers characters, I could go on and on... it's became a cultural phenomenon in America especially.
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lol....tv shows don't reflect reality. Most fathers aren't retards, and if they are I suspect they started out as such. Fyi, fat, stupid guys don't usually pull the hot chicks either. Your Eminem example doesn't make sense either. An album doesn't reflect a rapper's personality either, it reflects what they believe will appeal to their audience at the time.
I'll agree on the point that people become more set in their ways....but that's because they have a lot more knowledge than younger people. They've spent an entire lifetime learning things a certain way and you expect them to suddenly change because you say something different? Younger people may have a greater capacity for learning, but that's because they are more ignorant and know less to begin with.
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i think what you said in that second paragraph can be used to demonstrate some of these arguments about older people. the idea that older people become set in their ways because they are more knoweledgable. it's a decent enough concept, but flawed in the sense that concrete ideologies become increasingly problematic in a dynamic and changing world, which is certainly what we live in. at the same time, young people may in fact be 'ignorant', but there's nothing wrong with this ignorance if it precipitates a state of humbleness where we want to learn more about the world. i very much subscribe to the view of the more we learn, the less we really know. for adults to get 'set in their ways' because they amassed a certain level of knowledge or information - i'd call this culturally justified laziness and/or arrogance more than anything else.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
arrogance >>> ignorance
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 29, 2010, 03:21:54 PM ---
You just proved my point. Em made it because he thought people would want that kind of Eminem but they didn't and now he's admitting it. That has zilch to do with his intelligence level or this discussion.
The guy raps about celebrities and killing people, things he doesn't do in his real life. ITS A MARKETING TOOL USED TO SELL RECORDS. It's not a personal reflection on his state of mind or intelligence.
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First of all you make it sound like Eminem's music is only one big giant marketing scheme, which is far from the truth. And even if it was the truth, it doesn't mean that it would work. You can't just sell with a good marketing scheme if your music sounds like shit. Eminem didn't sell 50 million something records in his career just because of good marketing...at some point it was talent, passion, and artistic creativity that made him what he was.
Also, there are many ways for an artist or person to show growth in their life. For example, a rapper could become wiser and rap about more adult issues as a sign of his growth. Similar to Masta Ace, if you compare his Sittin On Chrome (which was about partying and being a player) to his Disposable Arts album which he made later in his career (which was about adult issues and reflection on life). Both were dope albums, and both represented growth at different points in his life and career.
Another way a rap artist could show growth could have less to do with more mature subject matter, but rather a more mature sound and greater overall quality in their music. For example, Dr. Dre on Efil4Zaggin with NWA was rappin about mostly the same shit as he was on The Chronic, and both albums were dope. Yet the Chronic represented a growth in his skills as a producer, the overall sound of his music; and to this day the album is one of the greatest classics hip-hop has ever produced.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
Em is a rapper that has a lot of talent, I never said he didn't. But his subject matter IS a marketing gimmick. Do you think if he had made only serious music he would have sold even half the records? I remember when Em first came out and all people could talk about was how controversial he was. It's the reason every teen in America loved him when he came out. His shocking lyrics MADE his career, period point blank. It's only now that people are tired of it that they want something serious from him.
And besides that, your tracking of the progression of his albums is completely off. It's not like he's been growing intellectually this whole time and suddenly reverted with Relapse. His first record Infinite was actually his most serious. MM is probably his most childish, and yet its considered his best record.
To anyone paying attention, it should come as no coincidence that his new song "Not Afraid" is similar to "Beautiful", his most successful record off of Relapse. He makes records based on whether they will be popular. I can guarantee you that if the audience had wanted the immature Eminem, he would have made another silly song.
All this is moot, because the point I am making here is that a commercial album is not a reflection of a person's personal growth or mental capacity. Dr. Dre is not all about fucking hoes and slapping bitches. He's a family man for crying out loud. Eminem does not go around murdering people. The personality of an album is not the same as the personality of the person deciding to make that record. Its an entirely different thing. Of course someone's mind state CAN have an influence on their music, but you SHOULDN'T ASSUME so, especially in Eminem's case where the silly/shocking records are made on purpose to appeal to people.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 30, 2010, 02:44:06 PM ---Em is a rapper that has a lot of talent, I never said he didn't. But his subject matter IS a marketing gimmick. Do you think if he had made only serious music he would have sold even half the records? I remember when Em first came out and all people could talk about was how controversial he was. It's the reason every teen in America loved him when he came out. His shocking lyrics MADE his career, period point blank. It's only now that people are tired of it that they want something serious from him.
And besides that, your tracking of the progression of his albums is completely off. It's not like he's been growing intellectually this whole time and suddenly reverted with Relapse. His first record Infinite was actually his most serious. MM is probably his most childish, and yet its considered his best record.
To anyone paying attention, it should come as no coincidence that his new song "Not Afraid" is similar to "Beautiful", his most successful record off of Relapse. He makes records based on whether they will be popular. I can guarantee you that if the audience had wanted the immature Eminem, he would have made another silly song.
All this is moot, because the point I am making here is that a commercial album is not a reflection of a person's personal growth or mental capacity. Dr. Dre is not all about fucking hoes and slapping bitches. He's a family man for crying out loud. Eminem does not go around murdering people. The personality of an album is not the same as the personality of the person deciding to make that record. Its an entirely different thing. Of course someone's mind state CAN have an influence on their music, but you SHOULDN'T ASSUME so, especially in Eminem's case where the silly/shocking records are made on purpose to appeal to people.
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Say whatever the hell you want homie, but I know when I listen to Eminem's music from 96-2003 that what he was spittin was real. When it's real you can feel it. And maybe you didn't understand it cause it wasn't for you, but a lot of people felt like they could relate to his music. The marketing aspect was never a "gimmick" it was all artistic as well. The look of his video's and photography all built up his character as a rapper and presented himself artistically in a way that was real, and related to his true fans. Your just not a real fan so you missed all of it.
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