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i actually agree with hip hop is dead...to pass off your personal prefrences as fact is prejudice. To even go as far a to say that Jay-z cant have a cd called The Black Album beause Metallica does is borderline racist.. Which is kinda funny cause it was officially just self-titled(Metallica-Metallia) its called that only cause the cover is black. " there are better political figures out there in music than chuck d"...How do you prove such a statement? Hip Hop/Rap may not be a mature art form in your eyes but clearly around here it is. We all have diffrent tastes and opinions on music but thats all they are... Opinions. You want One persons veiw on whats right or wrong or what music is relevant move to China or N.Korea.
Quote from: BIGjakeDOGGYdogg on December 07, 2004, 10:58:14 PMyeah and you got to realize that just about everyone on this board are a bunch of 15 and 16 year olds and if they're ot 15 or 16 they still think they arethe thing about people like you is YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND MUSIC that isn't rap, all these kids running around saying "adults dont' understand hip hop that's why they don't like it" well the same applies for you too. i use to run around saying stupid shit like "fuck anything that has guitars and drums sets in it" but then as i got older i had an epiphany and got an open mind and now i'd rather listen to dark side of the moon rathe than listen to the chronic....i'd rather listen to the white album as opposed to jay-z's black album (metallica has the REAL black album btw) it's about maturity, when i think about rap all it bascially is as a whole and from where it started from is party music, when it gets serious and deep it's applaudable and great but you got to understand that there are deeper artists out there than 2pac, there are better political figures out there in music than chuck d, there are better word smiths than Rakim, there are better producers out there than dre and premoThis is a blatant fallacy, borderline racist, and definitely prejudice. One becoming a more frequent listener of Rock and Roll music has absolutely nothing to do with one's "maturity". In America, we have a deep history of racism that dates all the way back to commiting genocide on the Indians, to enslaving blacks, and the current war against Arabs. If you notice the general nature of white men is distrust. On the opposite extreme, sometimes African's trust too soon, and get taken advantage of. Look at Africans, they are quick to permenantly accept other cultures, art forms, and ways of life. A good example of this, is the fact that West Africa actually made it over to America before Spain. The West African Leader, Mansa Musa used to send many ships over to America, long before the genocides of Columbus. But rather than conquering the indigenous natives, Africans mixed with the indigenous population, and there is proof of this in the history books, and still now today, Native American Indians have a history of West African words in their languages, proof is that some of our cities and states are named with names imported from West Africa and the Moors (Moreskos). (California-Khalifa, Hon-o-lulu, Hawiai, Koran Lousiana, Mecca California, etc.) Whites named these cities and states with the same names that the Native population was already using at that time. Yet, then you see the downside of African's natural instinct to trust other cultures. The West Africans who were imported into America as slaves, you see now how they have accepted all the habits of drug abuse, alcoholism, classism, racism, from imitating their oppressor. An example of this is when free slaves were given the oppurtunity to be leaders in Liberia, West Africa, and they treated the natives of that land, their former brothers and sisters and tribesmen, as inferior, and they were highly oppressive. This is the effects of the racism being projected onto them as African Americans. There former brothers and sisters still living in places like Senegal, a major port city, show none of these characteristics that are prevelant in African Americans.Now, through hip-hop culture (breaking, grafiti, dj, mc), African American's were able to carve their own culture out of the diaspora of America. Rather than openly accepting this beautiful culture from African Americans, racist whites view it as an immature phase, and an inferior form of art. They forget that it was these same African Americans that created Rock and Roll in the first place, before whites stole and manipulated that culture away from them.I'm only being real. That's cool that you love Rock and Roll, but please don't identify it as being the "mature" form of music. This only displays either A) your lack of culture or B) the most shameful, fanatical, fawning, sycophantic love of whites.
yeah and you got to realize that just about everyone on this board are a bunch of 15 and 16 year olds and if they're ot 15 or 16 they still think they arethe thing about people like you is YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND MUSIC that isn't rap, all these kids running around saying "adults dont' understand hip hop that's why they don't like it" well the same applies for you too. i use to run around saying stupid shit like "fuck anything that has guitars and drums sets in it" but then as i got older i had an epiphany and got an open mind and now i'd rather listen to dark side of the moon rathe than listen to the chronic....i'd rather listen to the white album as opposed to jay-z's black album (metallica has the REAL black album btw) it's about maturity, when i think about rap all it bascially is as a whole and from where it started from is party music, when it gets serious and deep it's applaudable and great but you got to understand that there are deeper artists out there than 2pac, there are better political figures out there in music than chuck d, there are better word smiths than Rakim, there are better producers out there than dre and premo
Seriously though, are you really stupid enough to believe that the humsan mind is different with in races?Do you really think it is part of nature that causes whites to hate and non whites to love?How many people do you think were slave owners in America?
First off, I think a lot of the maturity the guy was speaking about was his ability to look past his original prejudice or non rap and accept it. It would be foolish to say that 70s rock as a whole is more mature than 80s hip hop as a whole. Secondly, Mansa Musa, a Muslim leader, was theorized to have sent ships over North America, but the theories date back long before his existence. There is no absolute proof, but even if there was let's look at how it probably went down. Ships would go from Muslim Spain to North America. How did Muslims get into Spain? By taking over. I thought only white people did that? I must've been wrong. You speak of the genocide that Columbus was a part of, what about the Armenian genocide that the Turks were responsible for? These were Muslims killing Christians, and it was hardly in defense. The Ottoman Empire had enslaved all of what used to be Eastern Rome and had done so for hundreds of years. Greece in the 1800s started a revolution and drove the Turks out, Armenia wasn't as lucky. Just before WWI the Turks murdered all high powered Armenians and proceeded with the genocide. How can this be? Non whites acting evil? They must've been brainwashed by the white way of life, right?Seriously though, are you really stupid enough to believe that the human mind is different with in races?Do you really think it is part of nature that causes whites to hate and non whites to love?How many people do you think were slave owners in America?
Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 12:47:06 PMFirst off, I think a lot of the maturity the guy was speaking about was his ability to look past his original prejudice or non rap and accept it. It would be foolish to say that 70s rock as a whole is more mature than 80s hip hop as a whole. Secondly, Mansa Musa, a Muslim leader, was theorized to have sent ships over North America, but the theories date back long before his existence. There is no absolute proof, but even if there was let's look at how it probably went down. Ships would go from Muslim Spain to North America. How did Muslims get into Spain? By taking over. I thought only white people did that? I must've been wrong. You speak of the genocide that Columbus was a part of, what about the Armenian genocide that the Turks were responsible for? These were Muslims killing Christians, and it was hardly in defense. The Ottoman Empire had enslaved all of what used to be Eastern Rome and had done so for hundreds of years. Greece in the 1800s started a revolution and drove the Turks out, Armenia wasn't as lucky. Just before WWI the Turks murdered all high powered Armenians and proceeded with the genocide. How can this be? Non whites acting evil? They must've been brainwashed by the white way of life, right?Seriously though, are you really stupid enough to believe that the human mind is different with in races?Do you really think it is part of nature that causes whites to hate and non whites to love?How many people do you think were slave owners in America?You can take all of that to Train of Thought, I'm not interested in talking to anybody at this forum about anything but hip-hop music. Someone dissed hip-hop music and claimed that they were more mature now because they listened to Rock&Roll, so I had to set the record straight, that's it. I'm only here for the music, peace.
john bonham is sick.. is he considered one of the best ever?
Quote from: white boy on December 09, 2004, 07:35:01 PMjohn bonham is sick.. is he considered one of the best ever?Yes he is.
Well, not really Plant. Of course he had a great voice, but I think the guy's a loser myself. Page and Bonham were incredible.
and can someone tell me some solo beatles shit