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Kobe...
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 03:46:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 03:31:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 01:20:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 12:21:25 PM ---a bit of a stretch there lol but ok...top 5 player ever....lol
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LMAO@top 5 being a stretch when he's competing for GOAT status.
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He is competing in YOUR mind lol. Most experts didnt have Kobe rated a top 10 all time player prior to this year. Him winning his second title as the leader of the team I dont think will bounce him all the way into the top 5 lol But then again...Im arguing with a guy who thinks Kobe is better than Jordan (no Farmar).
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Pretty much everyone already acknowledges that Kobe, at the top of his game, has surpassed or at the very least matched Jordan as far as skill goes. If he wins 6+ titles, it would be ridiculous to not include him in the GOAT discussion.
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LOL!!! Wow...
First off...Kobe having 6 titles isnt the same as Jordan having 6 titles. Even ESPN radio addressed it this morning. When talking about how fans are so caught up in the present. Originally the conversation was about Rondo and how when he has a big game in the playoffs people immediately start calling him the best point guard in the league. When really, there are about 3 or 4 that definitely better then him. Then it switched to Kobe and how Kobe fans say he is better than Jordan everytime he has a big 30+ point game in the playoffs when really he is still 30 playoff games behind Jordan, 2 titles behind him..AND (important), Jordan never had Shaq. No one looks at Kobe's first 3 titles as an AMAZING accomlpishment of an all time great, because he was the second best player on those teams. Jordan NEVER was the second best player lol. Kobe's first three titles are closer to Pippens titles....then Jordans. Kobe's title last year was a far bigger individual accomplishment then all three of the three-peat titles lol. So he has a LOT of catching up to do.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: NATAS on May 30, 2010, 05:40:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on May 30, 2010, 11:21:18 AM ---Had a GREAT series....I'd go as far to say that was his best playoff series as a leader.
He hit TOUGH shots, was consistent, used his teammates, and showed real maturity.
If he plays like this in the finals, Celtics have no chance. He'll get his second playoff MVP and become a top 5 playoff player ever...
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michael jordan
oscar robertson
larry bird
magic johnson
bill russell
wilt chamberlain
kareem abdoul jabbar
shaq o'neal
kobe is never cracking the top 8
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lol Kobe is still struggling to crack the top ten. The reason why Jordan is so hard to ever top is because every single year....Jordan was the best player in the league. There was absolutely NO debating it. Which is why the league is CONSTANTLY trying to build up a player as the next Jordan. Kobe has never ONCE been the clearcut BEST in the league. He is always amongst a group of great players. He has had moments where he was the best....so has LeBron....so has Duncan....etc.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 09:00:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: NATAS on May 30, 2010, 05:40:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on May 30, 2010, 11:21:18 AM ---Had a GREAT series....I'd go as far to say that was his best playoff series as a leader.
He hit TOUGH shots, was consistent, used his teammates, and showed real maturity.
If he plays like this in the finals, Celtics have no chance. He'll get his second playoff MVP and become a top 5 playoff player ever...
--- End quote ---
michael jordan
oscar robertson
larry bird
magic johnson
bill russell
wilt chamberlain
kareem abdoul jabbar
shaq o'neal
kobe is never cracking the top 8
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Kobe has already broken more records than most of those players.
--- Quote from: NATAS on May 30, 2010, 05:40:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 03:46:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 03:31:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 01:20:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 12:21:25 PM ---a bit of a stretch there lol but ok...top 5 player ever....lol
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LMAO@top 5 being a stretch when he's competing for GOAT status.
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He is competing in YOUR mind lol. Most experts didnt have Kobe rated a top 10 all time player prior to this year. Him winning his second title as the leader of the team I dont think will bounce him all the way into the top 5 lol But then again...Im arguing with a guy who thinks Kobe is better than Jordan (no Farmar).
--- End quote ---
Pretty much everyone already acknowledges that Kobe, at the top of his game, has surpassed or at the very least matched Jordan as far as skill goes. If he wins 6+ titles, it would be ridiculous to not include him in the GOAT discussion.
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LMAO where's the 5 MVP awards and 0 NBA Finals losses?
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The MVP award is a popularity contest...Nash has more MVPs than Kobe as well. you wouldn't say he's better than Kobe...or would you? LOL.
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Although Nash DID deserve the awards. The MVP award is about who is the most valueable to their team that year. You can argue every year basically who you think should win. But you cant really say Nash didnt deserve those. Not without accepting the argument that Kobe didnt deserve his.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 31, 2010, 03:10:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 09:00:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: NATAS on May 30, 2010, 05:40:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on May 30, 2010, 11:21:18 AM ---Had a GREAT series....I'd go as far to say that was his best playoff series as a leader.
He hit TOUGH shots, was consistent, used his teammates, and showed real maturity.
If he plays like this in the finals, Celtics have no chance. He'll get his second playoff MVP and become a top 5 playoff player ever...
--- End quote ---
michael jordan
oscar robertson
larry bird
magic johnson
bill russell
wilt chamberlain
kareem abdoul jabbar
shaq o'neal
kobe is never cracking the top 8
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Kobe has already broken more records than most of those players.
--- Quote from: NATAS on May 30, 2010, 05:40:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 03:46:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 03:31:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 01:20:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 12:21:25 PM ---a bit of a stretch there lol but ok...top 5 player ever....lol
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LMAO@top 5 being a stretch when he's competing for GOAT status.
--- End quote ---
He is competing in YOUR mind lol. Most experts didnt have Kobe rated a top 10 all time player prior to this year. Him winning his second title as the leader of the team I dont think will bounce him all the way into the top 5 lol But then again...Im arguing with a guy who thinks Kobe is better than Jordan (no Farmar).
--- End quote ---
Pretty much everyone already acknowledges that Kobe, at the top of his game, has surpassed or at the very least matched Jordan as far as skill goes. If he wins 6+ titles, it would be ridiculous to not include him in the GOAT discussion.
--- End quote ---
LMAO where's the 5 MVP awards and 0 NBA Finals losses?
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The MVP award is a popularity contest...Nash has more MVPs than Kobe as well. you wouldn't say he's better than Kobe...or would you? LOL.
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Although Nash DID deserve the awards. The MVP award is about who is the most valueable to their team that year. You can argue every year basically who you think should win. But you cant really say Nash didnt deserve those. Not without accepting the argument that Kobe didnt deserve his.
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NIK has only recently felt it's been a popularity contest; the last two years.
wonder why... ;D
theremedy360:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 31, 2010, 03:03:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: NATAS on May 30, 2010, 05:40:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on May 30, 2010, 11:21:18 AM ---Had a GREAT series....I'd go as far to say that was his best playoff series as a leader.
He hit TOUGH shots, was consistent, used his teammates, and showed real maturity.
If he plays like this in the finals, Celtics have no chance. He'll get his second playoff MVP and become a top 5 playoff player ever...
--- End quote ---
michael jordan
oscar robertson
larry bird
magic johnson
bill russell
wilt chamberlain
kareem abdoul jabbar
shaq o'neal
kobe is never cracking the top 8
--- End quote ---
lol Kobe is still struggling to crack the top ten. The reason why Jordan is so hard to ever top is because every single year....Jordan was the best player in the league. There was absolutely NO debating it. Which is why the league is CONSTANTLY trying to build up a player as the next Jordan. Kobe has never ONCE been the clearcut BEST in the league. He is always amongst a group of great players. He has had moments where he was the best....so has LeBron....so has Duncan....etc.
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A lot of people will argue for Lebron today but I still say Kobe is # 1. But I think he was definitely the clear cut best player those two years Nash won the MVP.
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