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Kobe...
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--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 31, 2010, 02:59:20 PM ---
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--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 03:31:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 01:20:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 12:21:25 PM ---a bit of a stretch there lol but ok...top 5 player ever....lol
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LMAO@top 5 being a stretch when he's competing for GOAT status.
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He is competing in YOUR mind lol. Most experts didnt have Kobe rated a top 10 all time player prior to this year. Him winning his second title as the leader of the team I dont think will bounce him all the way into the top 5 lol But then again...Im arguing with a guy who thinks Kobe is better than Jordan (no Farmar).
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Pretty much everyone already acknowledges that Kobe, at the top of his game, has surpassed or at the very least matched Jordan as far as skill goes. If he wins 6+ titles, it would be ridiculous to not include him in the GOAT discussion.
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LOL!!! Wow...
First off...Kobe having 6 titles isnt the same as Jordan having 6 titles. Even ESPN radio addressed it this morning. When talking about how fans are so caught up in the present. Originally the conversation was about Rondo and how when he has a big game in the playoffs people immediately start calling him the best point guard in the league. When really, there are about 3 or 4 that definitely better then him. Then it switched to Kobe and how Kobe fans say he is better than Jordan everytime he has a big 30+ point game in the playoffs when really he is still 30 playoff games behind Jordan, 2 titles behind him..AND (important), Jordan never had Shaq. No one looks at Kobe's first 3 titles as an AMAZING accomlpishment of an all time great, because he was the second best player on those teams. Jordan NEVER was the second best player lol. Kobe's first three titles are closer to Pippens titles....then Jordans. Kobe's title last year was a far bigger individual accomplishment then all three of the three-peat titles lol. So he has a LOT of catching up to do.
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Jordan never had to play with a dominant figure like Shaq...don't penalize Kobe and his greatness just because he was fortunate enough to be a focal point on one of the greatest teams in NBA history.
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Thats normal man. Wouldnt you say Kobe winning the title last year was far more impressive than ANY of the titles he won playing next to Shaq? I would. And you know you do to. You know yourself that EVERY single Kobe fan was praying he would win one without Shaq. Why would that be...if having Shaq wasnt viewed as such a huge advantage in Kobe having the other three titles? Kobe fans wanted Kobe to prove he could win one as THE man on the team.
Btw...dont say "had to play with a dominant figure like Shaq" lol. Jordan would have loved to have that kind of help. And with where Kobe was in his career...having Shaq there was a blessing for him. They obviously would not have three-peated if you removed Shaq from the picture.
theremedy360:
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--- Quote from: TheRemedy360 (back from the dead) on May 30, 2010, 01:15:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 30, 2010, 12:22:15 PM ---i'll finish your sentence.
..is second to LeBron. ;D
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Lebron is the most skilled but he's got a long way to go to be the type of closer Kobe is.
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the most skilled? what game you watching hahahaha, he's the most athletic and has the best physical gifts, but most skilled far from it, that muthafucca's jump shot is type garbage,his post moves very sub par, his footwork is nowhere near kobe's or tim duncans, stop drinking the stern and nba flavor aid they want to that equal to be the face of the league,but instead of it happening naturally like jordans progression they are telling you this guy is everything and it's not true just yet yell
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Lol chill out man, I meant more along the lines of most gifted.
theremedy360:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 31, 2010, 05:43:09 PM ---^LOL, surprise, surprise the year he's all alone & was considered a horrible teammate, being a ballhog, he dropped 81. :laugh:
& no, this year when/if he wins another title it'll make it even MORE apparent that he NEEDS a great big man like Pau Gasol with all-star caliber help surrounding him, with Phil Jackson to win; but it will also become apparent that the Lakers are a great team.
it's not "being fortunate" either, because he was ready to pack his bags & go to Chicago if the front office didn't hook him up with people; it was a demand, not something that fell into his lap.
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He was playing on a team with Smush, Walton, and Kwame in the starting lineup, that team wouldn't have made the playoffs if Kobe hadn't tried to take over nearly every game. And in the year he played with those shit players, who considered him a "horrible teammate"?
C-BLUE:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 31, 2010, 03:03:51 PM ---
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--- Quote from: teecee on May 30, 2010, 11:21:18 AM ---Had a GREAT series....I'd go as far to say that was his best playoff series as a leader.
He hit TOUGH shots, was consistent, used his teammates, and showed real maturity.
If he plays like this in the finals, Celtics have no chance. He'll get his second playoff MVP and become a top 5 playoff player ever...
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michael jordan
oscar robertson
larry bird
magic johnson
bill russell
wilt chamberlain
kareem abdoul jabbar
shaq o'neal
kobe is never cracking the top 8
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lol Kobe is still struggling to crack the top ten. The reason why Jordan is so hard to ever top is because every single year....Jordan was the best player in the league. There was absolutely NO debating it. Which is why the league is CONSTANTLY trying to build up a player as the next Jordan. Kobe has never ONCE been the clearcut BEST in the league. He is always amongst a group of great players. He has had moments where he was the best....so has LeBron....so has Duncan....etc.
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kobe ain't in the top 10?? you can't be serious my nig. where'd you put him...in the top 50? haha
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: TheRemedy360 (back from the dead) on May 31, 2010, 06:14:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 31, 2010, 05:43:09 PM ---^LOL, surprise, surprise the year he's all alone & was considered a horrible teammate, being a ballhog, he dropped 81. :laugh:
& no, this year when/if he wins another title it'll make it even MORE apparent that he NEEDS a great big man like Pau Gasol with all-star caliber help surrounding him, with Phil Jackson to win; but it will also become apparent that the Lakers are a great team.
it's not "being fortunate" either, because he was ready to pack his bags & go to Chicago if the front office didn't hook him up with people; it was a demand, not something that fell into his lap.
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He was playing on a team with Smush, Walton, and Kwame in the starting lineup, that team wouldn't have made the playoffs if Kobe hadn't tried to take over nearly every game. And in the year he played with those shit players, who considered him a "horrible teammate"?
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all the analysts & shit were calling him a ballhog, etc.
it's hard to average 35 points a game & not be labeled a ballhog lol.
but LeBron has only been put in a slightly better situation, basically similar situation in 2006 & he went to the Finals.
so coincidentally enough, the year Kobe drops 81 & didn't win a ring is the year NIK says he was at the top of his game, surpassing Jordan, while LeBron led his team to the Finals with almost a similarly awful cast.
funny though how the only thing he holds against LeBron is that he hasn't won a ring & Kobe's peak was when he didn't win lol.
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