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EMINEM - RECOVERY (Official Discussion)
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Sccit on May 24, 2025, 10:01:22 PM ---
ummm
you're still being disingenuous even in this post lmao
my disingenuous claim was about you nitpicking positive reviews from recovery and negative reviews from relapse to paint a picture as if more people liked recovery
and u know that's what i meant
so why continue being fake?
i get your entire life is predicated on being a contrarian .. but it should never be at the expense of keepin it real
70/30 was being generous .. in this thread on an eminem forum it's more like 90/10:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/xvee3q/recovery_or_relapse_i_prefer_recovery/
and i literally just showed u the answer from chatgpt ... are u guna deny chatgpt as a source too?
:lulz:
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It's not what you are making this out to be about being "contrarian." You don't even really know what that is all about. You think that is just about someone who wants to troll and argue, and wants to always take the minority viewpoint for attention. It's not like that. It's about doing research and seeing if a generally held hypothesis can hold up. I'll give you a better example. Like the movie MONEY BALL. Bill James said the consensus in baseball was that BUNTING was an integral part of the game. So it wasn't that he just wanted to be "contrarian", it was that he likes to challenge the general consensus and see if it can be proven and if the statistics can bear out. And guess what happened? He revolutionized the game of baseball.
So something that seems obvious to everyone, is that you try to put lefties in the lineup to face a right handed pitcher. Well, Bill James challenges that idea and argues that the monumental effort to pair up hitters to bat opposite righty against a lefty pitcher and vice-versa is wasted resources.
And yes, it is fun. It is fun to do that kind of research to discover something that wasn't seen before. But you think being "contrarian" is just like trolling with an minority opinion for attention.
...The case here I'm not even taking a contrarian opinion because the opinion of music journalists AND EMINEM HIMSELF was that Relapse was a let down and Recovery was a comeback. So actually, I'm not even on the "contrary" side as you want to paint this.
Also, if I wanted so badly to be contrarian then wouldn't I be out here trying to push some rapper like Ras Kass as being the greatest rapper in history? But no, I'm out here pushing the obvious choice that 2pac is the greatest of all-time. Wouldn't I be out here arguing that the greatest NBA player of all time was somebody like Bill Russel, or argue that Scottie was actually the key guy on the Bulls, just to be "contrarian"? No, I just always said and still say the obvious choice that Jordan is the greatest. Same with albums, shouldn't I be saying that the greatest album ever is some obscure shit that only late 90's backpackers listen to? No, I've always said that All Eyez On Me is the greatest album of all time.
So.. kill that noize about my life's purpose is not to be "contrarian'.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: TraceOneInfinite on May 28, 2025, 04:37:34 AM ---It's not what you are making this out to be about being "contrarian." You don't even really know what that is all about. You think that is just about someone who wants to troll and argue, and wants to always take the minority viewpoint for attention. It's not like that. It's about doing research and seeing if a generally held hypothesis can hold up. I'll give you a better example. Like the movie MONEY BALL. Bill James said the consensus in baseball was that BUNTING was an integral part of the game. So it wasn't that he just wanted to be "contrarian", it was that he likes to challenge the general consensus and see if it can be proven and if the statistics can bear out. And guess what happened? He revolutionized the game of baseball.
So something that seems obvious to everyone, is that you try to put lefties in the lineup to face a right handed pitcher. Well, Bill James challenges that idea and argues that the monumental effort to pair up hitters to bat opposite righty against a lefty pitcher and vice-versa is wasted resources.
And yes, it is fun. It is fun to do that kind of research to discover something that wasn't seen before. But you think being "contrarian" is just like trolling with an minority opinion for attention.
...The case here I'm not even taking a contrarian opinion because the opinion of music journalists AND EMINEM HIMSELF was that Relapse was a let down and Recovery was a comeback. So actually, I'm not even on the "contrary" side as you want to paint this.
Also, if I wanted so badly to be contrarian then wouldn't I be out here trying to push some rapper like Ras Kass as being the greatest rapper in history? But no, I'm out here pushing the obvious choice that 2pac is the greatest of all-time. Wouldn't I be out here arguing that the greatest NBA player of all time was somebody like Bill Russel, or argue that Scottie was actually the key guy on the Bulls, just to be "contrarian"? No, I just always said and still say the obvious choice that Jordan is the greatest. Same with albums, shouldn't I be saying that the greatest album ever is some obscure shit that only late 90's backpackers listen to? No, I've always said that All Eyez On Me is the greatest album of all time.
So.. kill that noize about my life's purpose is not to be "contrarian'.
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being a contrarian doesn't mean u need to go full retard lol
so sayin scottie pippen is the goat or that ras kass is better than pac would make u lose credibility as a contrarian .. and u already know that. plus you are also a very nostalgia driven person, so pac and mj are a huge part of your "i am 1996" youth .. thats the other part of your identity .. your contrarian mentality doesn't include your nostalgic obsession with pop culture from the 90s, when "life was good"
as for relapse vs recovery, you must have missed eminem changing his mind on it and embracing it on his most recent album, even calling it a cult classic. because u keep pointing out that when he was in his "i'm mature now!" phase he denounced it in favor of pop records, but his stance has since changed.
as for critics.. allmusic, entertainment weekly, pitchfork, the guardian, and rolling stone all rated relapse better
so even with recovery being a commercial pop success, the critics still weren't claiming it a huge comeback like you're painting it out to be... that was only the pop crowd.
once again, there's no point in you arguing further .. chatgpt already spelled it out for u. this isn't bunting. it's more like arguing that you should walk a player who has a .155 batting average.
btw, good job ignoring doggy's points where he makes it seem like you've never even listened to Relapse.
:hmmm:
Duck Duck Doggy:
--- Quote from: Sccit on May 28, 2025, 08:00:50 AM ---
btw, good job ignoring doggy's points where he makes it seem like you've never even listened to Relapse.
:hmmm:
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Yeaaaahhhh!!!! Quit ducking
WCThang:
It's funny that Relapse has probably aged best of his latter career albums. The voice is still annoying but Dre's production was still so flawless in this era. I wish we were getting those Dre beats today.
Recovery felt like a solid album at the time (expectations considering) but it hasn't aged well. It sounds dated and poppy.
Revival is honestly one of the worst rap albums I've ever heard.
MMLP2 is solid, better than it gets credit for. Lots of really good songs.
Duck Duck Doggy:
--- Quote from: WCThang on May 28, 2025, 03:10:58 PM ---It's funny that Relapse has probably aged best of his latter career albums. The voice is still annoying but Dre's production was still so flawless in this era. I wish we were getting those Dre beats today.
Recovery felt like a solid album at the time (expectations considering) but it hasn't aged well. It sounds dated and poppy.
Revival is honestly one of the worst rap albums I've ever heard.
MMLP2 is solid, better than it gets credit for. Lots of really good songs.
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Yup pretty much what sccit and myself have been saying. I thought most heads would agree kinda surprised infinite feels this way. I think it's time to revisit the album itself instead of the thread. And really let it sink in for a few days before you judge it
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