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for the people who are acting like kobe isnt up there, are u out of your minds?
Not saying I agree with the article I posted, as I was a huge Magic fan and I remember crying huge tears the day he announced he had HIV, and I can guarantee you that I don't even remotely feel close to Kobe in that way as a fan. As I've said over and over, I was on Shaq's side of the civil war in LA when they were teammates, and I wished Shaq had ended his career in gold and forum blue, BUT understood business and understood for an organization Kobe was better long term. In the end it worked out better for LA. With that aside, I thought it would bring interesting results and to post this, and let the debate begin.For the record, the author stated that Magic had better teammates, but at the same time, Magic lead those teammates, and was the superstar among stars, so what does that make Magic.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 19, 2010, 06:11:35 PMQuote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 05:36:54 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 19, 2010, 05:03:27 PMQuote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 11:16:30 AMKobe's the best of the new millennium so far but he's going to have to do a lot more for me to put him at the Magic/Bird level, and even then I think if both those guys stayed healthy the first Bulls 3-peat would not have happened.Again, people seem to reserve the "best" title for perimeter players. You can easily make the case of Duncan > Kobe...and most lists have it as so. Kobe has probably narrowed that gap quite a bit with this title. But youre talkin the best PF of all time. He just gets lost in the mix because people like to focus on highflyers and perimeter guys more than bigs.I'm not going to argue against Duncan. I love Duncan. I kind of meant at the moment I guess. I'd rather have Kobe leading my team than anyone else right now, with Lebron just behind, and Duncan's best days are gone.I got u. I was just talking about the "best of the new millennium" thing. Yeah, you could argue one over the other. I guess Kobe's longevity is starting to win me over a bit.
Quote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 05:36:54 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 19, 2010, 05:03:27 PMQuote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 11:16:30 AMKobe's the best of the new millennium so far but he's going to have to do a lot more for me to put him at the Magic/Bird level, and even then I think if both those guys stayed healthy the first Bulls 3-peat would not have happened.Again, people seem to reserve the "best" title for perimeter players. You can easily make the case of Duncan > Kobe...and most lists have it as so. Kobe has probably narrowed that gap quite a bit with this title. But youre talkin the best PF of all time. He just gets lost in the mix because people like to focus on highflyers and perimeter guys more than bigs.I'm not going to argue against Duncan. I love Duncan. I kind of meant at the moment I guess. I'd rather have Kobe leading my team than anyone else right now, with Lebron just behind, and Duncan's best days are gone.I got u. I was just talking about the "best of the new millennium" thing.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 19, 2010, 05:03:27 PMQuote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 11:16:30 AMKobe's the best of the new millennium so far but he's going to have to do a lot more for me to put him at the Magic/Bird level, and even then I think if both those guys stayed healthy the first Bulls 3-peat would not have happened.Again, people seem to reserve the "best" title for perimeter players. You can easily make the case of Duncan > Kobe...and most lists have it as so. Kobe has probably narrowed that gap quite a bit with this title. But youre talkin the best PF of all time. He just gets lost in the mix because people like to focus on highflyers and perimeter guys more than bigs.I'm not going to argue against Duncan. I love Duncan. I kind of meant at the moment I guess. I'd rather have Kobe leading my team than anyone else right now, with Lebron just behind, and Duncan's best days are gone.
Quote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 11:16:30 AMKobe's the best of the new millennium so far but he's going to have to do a lot more for me to put him at the Magic/Bird level, and even then I think if both those guys stayed healthy the first Bulls 3-peat would not have happened.Again, people seem to reserve the "best" title for perimeter players. You can easily make the case of Duncan > Kobe...and most lists have it as so. Kobe has probably narrowed that gap quite a bit with this title. But youre talkin the best PF of all time. He just gets lost in the mix because people like to focus on highflyers and perimeter guys more than bigs.
Kobe's the best of the new millennium so far but he's going to have to do a lot more for me to put him at the Magic/Bird level, and even then I think if both those guys stayed healthy the first Bulls 3-peat would not have happened.
Magic is a very humble guy, but he actually said something pretty bold (and in my opinion, true) in regards to Kobe's legacy.When Kobe officially takes Magic's city from him, it's going to be when he gets the 6th ring. Simply tying his legacy simply won't cut it. Magic clearly showed enthusiasm and thinks Kobe can do it though, he even offered to pay for a Kobe statue in front of Staples Center.
Quote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 11:07:48 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 19, 2010, 06:11:35 PMQuote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 05:36:54 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 19, 2010, 05:03:27 PMQuote from: Shallow on June 19, 2010, 11:16:30 AMKobe's the best of the new millennium so far but he's going to have to do a lot more for me to put him at the Magic/Bird level, and even then I think if both those guys stayed healthy the first Bulls 3-peat would not have happened.Again, people seem to reserve the "best" title for perimeter players. You can easily make the case of Duncan > Kobe...and most lists have it as so. Kobe has probably narrowed that gap quite a bit with this title. But youre talkin the best PF of all time. He just gets lost in the mix because people like to focus on highflyers and perimeter guys more than bigs.I'm not going to argue against Duncan. I love Duncan. I kind of meant at the moment I guess. I'd rather have Kobe leading my team than anyone else right now, with Lebron just behind, and Duncan's best days are gone.I got u. I was just talking about the "best of the new millennium" thing. Yeah, you could argue one over the other. I guess Kobe's longevity is starting to win me over a bit.Yeah. You just gotta take into consideration Timmy's college career. Those were still years of basketball that add to the mileage and he is one of the greatest college ball players of all time. Plus the fact that since he came into the league the Spurs are in the playoffs every single year...so he has played a lot of games. But like I said, Kobe IS an all time great. I just dont see him as the best Laker ever.
Quote from: Halu Sination on June 20, 2010, 02:28:34 PMMagic is a very humble guy, but he actually said something pretty bold (and in my opinion, true) in regards to Kobe's legacy.When Kobe officially takes Magic's city from him, it's going to be when he gets the 6th ring. Simply tying his legacy simply won't cut it. Magic clearly showed enthusiasm and thinks Kobe can do it though, he even offered to pay for a Kobe statue in front of Staples Center.to be honest, Kobe will never surpass Jordan. But I find it hard to imagine Kobe ever even passing Magics legacy. It isnt just about championship counts because like it or not, fans will always see Kobes first three titles differently due to him being the #2 guy on those teams. Not to mention, there are certain intangibles that players like Magic...Bird...Jordan...etc had going for them. One was the way they inspired others...and inspired fans. There is simply this "it" factor with players like that, that Kobe has just never had. Its nothing BAD about him, 99.9% of players have never had it. Kobe is a fierce competitor and a great scorer, etc. But he will always struggle to mean what any of those players mentioned...meant to their respective franchises....and not just ON the floor.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 20, 2010, 08:48:22 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on June 20, 2010, 02:28:34 PMMagic is a very humble guy, but he actually said something pretty bold (and in my opinion, true) in regards to Kobe's legacy.When Kobe officially takes Magic's city from him, it's going to be when he gets the 6th ring. Simply tying his legacy simply won't cut it. Magic clearly showed enthusiasm and thinks Kobe can do it though, he even offered to pay for a Kobe statue in front of Staples Center.to be honest, Kobe will never surpass Jordan. But I find it hard to imagine Kobe ever even passing Magics legacy. It isnt just about championship counts because like it or not, fans will always see Kobes first three titles differently due to him being the #2 guy on those teams. Not to mention, there are certain intangibles that players like Magic...Bird...Jordan...etc had going for them. One was the way they inspired others...and inspired fans. There is simply this "it" factor with players like that, that Kobe has just never had. Its nothing BAD about him, 99.9% of players have never had it. Kobe is a fierce competitor and a great scorer, etc. But he will always struggle to mean what any of those players mentioned...meant to their respective franchises....and not just ON the floor. No disrespect, but are you even a Laker fan? If not, I really don't see how you can even say how much he means to his respective franchise. Obviously, Lakers would have more big-named icons than any other franchise in the NBA so Kobe has his work cut out for him, and if Kobe's career were to end now, then it would still be Magic's city in my eyes.But Kobe had the "it" factor the very moment he stepped on an NBA court. The moment Jerry West went out of his way to scout him at high school games and conned the Charlotte Hornets into trading him to LA. I'm sure in the media's eyes, he probably lost the "it" factor after the rape case and after being blamed for chasing Shaq and Phil Jackson out of town, but there's no doubt in my mind that he redeemed himself in their eyes.The dude was VOTED IN every all-star game as a starter ever since he was 18 years old, in his second year of the NBA. Based of merchandise sales and especially on an international scale, Kobe is still the most popular player in the NBA. He's had the highest selling jersey for 5 years in a row now, and had a few years (but non-consecutive) before that. Did you hear the commentary during the 2008 Olympics? LeBron and Carmelo mentioned how all the non-American Olympic athletes and random fans in China flocked to Kobe's side in admiration and to take pictures with him, while all the other NBA players just watched the spectacle.A lot of people think Kobe is a douche and he's never seemed to put in much effort to fix that reputation in front of the media, but when it's all said and done, he's going to be remembered for the player he was, much like every other Hall of Famer in sports, period.... not including the ones who got caught for steroids. lol
Quote from: Halu Sination on June 20, 2010, 09:57:52 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 20, 2010, 08:48:22 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on June 20, 2010, 02:28:34 PMMagic is a very humble guy, but he actually said something pretty bold (and in my opinion, true) in regards to Kobe's legacy.When Kobe officially takes Magic's city from him, it's going to be when he gets the 6th ring. Simply tying his legacy simply won't cut it. Magic clearly showed enthusiasm and thinks Kobe can do it though, he even offered to pay for a Kobe statue in front of Staples Center.to be honest, Kobe will never surpass Jordan. But I find it hard to imagine Kobe ever even passing Magics legacy. It isnt just about championship counts because like it or not, fans will always see Kobes first three titles differently due to him being the #2 guy on those teams. Not to mention, there are certain intangibles that players like Magic...Bird...Jordan...etc had going for them. One was the way they inspired others...and inspired fans. There is simply this "it" factor with players like that, that Kobe has just never had. Its nothing BAD about him, 99.9% of players have never had it. Kobe is a fierce competitor and a great scorer, etc. But he will always struggle to mean what any of those players mentioned...meant to their respective franchises....and not just ON the floor. No disrespect, but are you even a Laker fan? If not, I really don't see how you can even say how much he means to his respective franchise. Obviously, Lakers would have more big-named icons than any other franchise in the NBA so Kobe has his work cut out for him, and if Kobe's career were to end now, then it would still be Magic's city in my eyes.But Kobe had the "it" factor the very moment he stepped on an NBA court. The moment Jerry West went out of his way to scout him at high school games and conned the Charlotte Hornets into trading him to LA. I'm sure in the media's eyes, he probably lost the "it" factor after the rape case and after being blamed for chasing Shaq and Phil Jackson out of town, but there's no doubt in my mind that he redeemed himself in their eyes.The dude was VOTED IN every all-star game as a starter ever since he was 18 years old, in his second year of the NBA. Based of merchandise sales and especially on an international scale, Kobe is still the most popular player in the NBA. He's had the highest selling jersey for 5 years in a row now, and had a few years (but non-consecutive) before that. Did you hear the commentary during the 2008 Olympics? LeBron and Carmelo mentioned how all the non-American Olympic athletes and random fans in China flocked to Kobe's side in admiration and to take pictures with him, while all the other NBA players just watched the spectacle.A lot of people think Kobe is a douche and he's never seemed to put in much effort to fix that reputation in front of the media, but when it's all said and done, he's going to be remembered for the player he was, much like every other Hall of Famer in sports, period.... not including the ones who got caught for steroids. lolLOL, Daygo says some of the dumbest shit imaginable.