Is 2Pac over rated?

[m-b]

What is happening to this forum these days? First of all, one guy says Biggie is no better than Rick Ross, then we have someone else suggesting one of hip-hop (or even music)'s most loved figures was overrated.

In what way did i suggest that Tupac was over rated in my first post? In case you didn't know, a question is much different than a suggestion.

erm....in the title? You know, the thing at the very top in bold writing that says "is 2pac overrated?"

You wrote it.

Wait there, let me just go grab a medal to congratulate you because you found out I did the thread, and I typed it, not wrote it. It is a question, asking people on this forum, where it is the heart of rap fans. If you want my personal response, no I don't think he is over rated. However, if the Makaveli album had the best tracks, composed from the handwritten tracklists then it could have been the best rap album of all time. After Tupac died, tracks were tampered with

[Jimmy H.]

However, if the Makaveli album had the best tracks, composed from the handwritten tracklists then it could have been the best rap album of all time.

  I'd love to know how you figure that to be the case. What exactly is missing from the album that brings it down?

[m-b]

However, if the Makaveli album had the best tracks, composed from the handwritten tracklists then it could have been the best rap album of all time.

  I'd love to know how you figure that to be the case. What exactly is missing from the album that brings it down?

For example tracks like when thugz cry, lost souls, maybe the inclusion of friendz

[doubletrouble™]

I hate threads like these... all hey scream to me is Attention Whore!

If you're on a website that's West Coast and you ask such a question you're bound to get plenty of replies, it's like people make these threads so they can brag about the amount of replies their thread got to themselves and friends.

[Sriram619]

Def not overrated. Dude was a legend

[Fraxxx]

His angelic image is over-rated. His click the Outlawz are over-rated. His gangster image is over-rated. Guy was the best at what he done IMO but I'd say he was over-rated in some sense, but not his status

+1

[Jimmy H.]

For example tracks like when thugz cry, lost souls, maybe the inclusion of friendz

Great songs but I fail to see how their inclusion would have made "Makaveli" a better album or "the best rap album of all-time".

[papa-smurf]

No 2pac isnt over rated,but if u think about it.it was alot of other artist out there they was better rappers then pac,like bone thugs n harmony was shitting on everybody back in the early 90's.but pac was a better song writer,story teller.its alot of things pac had that made him the best.

[KURUPTION-81]

Ppl gotta remember, lyrical ability isn't the end all be all. A true MC is well rounded. Some of these lyrical dudes can't write a song to save their asses or they try and tell a story or deliver a message and it gets lost in a bunch of metaphors and lyrical parades. Pac was the most lyrical, but he wasn't Soulja Boy either. I'd give him a B on lyrical skills. But he had a presence on the mic or what the kids call swagger now. He could tell a great story painting a image that your imagination would wrap around. He could bring out raw emotions on records. Do records that make you sad, happy, angry or just want to whoop a motherfuckers ass. The only rappers I can think of off the top that a real raw with their emotions are DMX, Eminem and Tech N9ne. He had versatility and could rap about anything. He had something to say and there were times when he would go crazy on the mic and times when I knew to hold back and let the message sink in

Real talk, i wish there were more rappers who would show there inner emotions , i miss lyrics like the below

Sent alot of flowers
But how could I cry?
Tried to warn the little nigga
Either stop or die
Mercy is for the weak
When I speak I scream
Afraid to spleep
I'm having crazy dreams
Vivid pictures of my enemies family times
God forgive me cuz its wrong
But I plan to die
Either take me in heaven
And understand I was a G
Did the best I could raised in insanity
Or send me to hell
Cuz I ain't begging for my life
Ain't nothing worse than this cursed ass hopeless life

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

For example tracks like when thugz cry, lost souls, maybe the inclusion of friendz

Great songs but I fail to see how their inclusion would have made "Makaveli" a better album or "the best rap album of all-time".

In place of Just Like Daddy and Toss It Up, definitely would've been better.

[m-b]

For example tracks like when thugz cry, lost souls, maybe the inclusion of friendz

Great songs but I fail to see how their inclusion would have made "Makaveli" a better album or "the best rap album of all-time".

In place of Just Like Daddy and Toss It Up, definitely would've been better.

Exactly, just like daddy was completely un-necessary to be honest. I would have loved "When Thugz Cry" to be on there, but the sample did not clear in time.

[V2DHeart]

However, if the Makable album had the best tracks, composed from the handwritten tracklists then it could have been the best rap album of all time.

  I'd love to know how you figure that to be the case. What exactly is missing from the album that brings it down?

Toss It Up was last minute, and the original Hail Mary should have been included, but overall for less than a weeks worth, it shat on almost anything in rap as far as "dark & deep" went. Some underground East Coast, and to a lesser extent - West cats done dark religious themed albums, but no one on mainstream even considered it, and 2PAC added in a lot of political and personal issues, which, coinsiding with his death made it more remarkable, and noticeable in the things he was saying. I mean - the front cover itself is an eerie coincidence in a way. I can remember reading an article in mid 97, about general album covers and how 2Paco's Makable came up, and played on the whole "crucified" concept, and that the Black Jesus thing span from that right before the leak of the Black Jesus track on what (if memory serves me right) was the Express tapes before anyone even knew there was a Black Jesus track in existence