Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??

[Jome]

 Aight, me and S.G.V. (aka Ray Diaz, aka FOO) had a discussion some time ago, and it all boiled down to S.G.V. saying Royce is WACK, while me myself, I think he's kinda dope.

He has released "Rock City" & "Rock City 2.0" which is pretty similar, and I think a rapper with verses like these CAN'T be wack:
(Listen to the track for better judgment)

Artist: Royce Da 5'9
Album:  King of Kings 12"
Song:  King of Kings
Typed by: bootleg210@msn.com

Lemme school you..

[Chorus: sung] - in background
I wake up... and I don't know where I am..
I wake up... and I don't know where I am..
I wake up... and I..

[talking over chorus]
Yo, to all my hungry disciples
Listen (let's talk) sit still, sit still.
Sit still (blackout) listen, the hungriest.
Kings, kings, kings, sit still (the hungriest)
Listen, lemme school you for a minute.
Blackout, blackout (blackout)..

[Verse One: Royce]
An angel from the lost, spite headband, marked dead man
Innermost thoughts locked, dangling from a cross (what)
The hotter the heart, the harder - wrapped up
Crucified with my chest up, felt forsaken by the Father
Wounded rebel (oooh) in Jerusalem
Gettin picked on, and whipped by the goons of the Devil
Black man, 5 foot 9, see the dawn when he stares out
With wool hair and feet of bronze
Birdstick, a black staff with brown handle
Backtrack; my first kicks, brown sandals
In the breeze of the surgeon, surrounded by merchants
I'mmaculate birth, conceived by a virgin
Do a lot in the lyric, due to the true and not living
Pure as the white driven human inside of a spirit
Or the Cathedral, that's only a quarter illegal
Slaughter the people, all for the forces of evil
Exterior armor, transparent, non-vivid
The last grand wizard slash serial bomber
Here it is; I'm Heaven sent, livin in Hell
All-seeing eye, in hand of the pyramids and keep watchin
Out for the death while the beats knockin
Plot by the Devil in a blue dress and chief stockings
Spiritual last, equipped with physical mass
Able to think quick and bring miracles to pass
The lost wonder of dark days to breathe light in
Christ titan, cough thunder and sneeze lightning
Control the thoughts, procore, feed the gators
Sole mediator of code in the Holy War, in front of the mobs
And a storm comin in March
Locked in the physical form of the son of the God

[Chorus: sung] w/ adlibs
I wake up... and I don't know where I am..
I wake up... and I..

[Verse Two: Royce]
The true and living son of the son, thorough
Tongue swore of war, speak and slash son of a gun
When the rumors started I departed - I don't know
some old shit about me being placed in a tomb in the Garden
Listen here you lost, I was tortured and died for the cause
And got caught, disappeared from the cross
First into a lesson and learned of my return to the Earth
in the form of a perfect human specimen
The written jeweler, driven from the face of a leader
Slave of the people, in the form of a hidden ruler
Satan's descendents, put a break in what they intended
The hatred is ended - sway the other way of the sentence
Bells'll go and tell, defendants'll go to jail
Hot coal on ya trail, sinners'll go to Hell
I got a soul for sale, well;
Let's start the bidding at a tragic death
Who knows what's finna happen next?
Cousin of death, with predictions that I can promise
Gave it to Nostradamus and now he touchin the rest
The heart caller, balancing birds on my finger
Nerves of a cheetah, birthed with the urge to walk water
Foul searchin, bi-weekly, all-purpose
Talk verses in dashikis and fly turbans
Enter the scheme of things, all love
All thugs get judged by me, the king of the kings..

[S.G.V.]

ok ill change my mind to average...thats about it tho...i gotta hear the track first tho...so until i hear the track...hes wack

[IKON]

he aint wack, just listen to Boom, that song is fire

lyrically he has much talent, he just needs more exposure and he shouldnt fuck with that Trackmasters no more,

imagine an album by him produced by DJ premier, alchemist,kanye west etc.....   str8 classic

[AlerG]

anyone who says royce is wack shows little dedication to hip-hop...with tracks the callibre of king of kings, boom, my friend, life, all appearing on the same lp which has been getting fucked over for way too long can't be wack...as an emcee i can't see wack anywhere in royce, although he has made some decisions i wouldn't, he's made way too many dope songs to blemish his track-record, peace.

[smartass]

wtf? of course not.
boom=underground classic.

[bez]

hes aint wack, but he aint the bomb, I would of likecd to of seen him sign to a major label and get his shit world wide recognised, but it aint guna happen any time soon!

[Kamal]

He is definitely dope! Listen to Boom, Friend, King Of King, ...
He's working on his new album "Dead Or Alive"...

Peace

[LyRiCaL_G]

average, inconsistant with his lyrics,can be real good at times though.........makes me laugh tho sometimes but i dont like his flow sometimes.....got charisma but is def missing something to make him a superstar for the moment

peace

[Twentytwofifty]

Royce = Wack...LOL

No way, give me one reason other than he has made poor attempts for commercial tracks (which I'm not a fan of) like "You Can't Touch Me" and all his Neptunes tracks, but that alone doesn't make him wack.  The above mentioned tracks plus "I'm The King" and both sides of the Bad Meets Evil 12" are also great and show his skill.

[On The Edge of Insanity]

Nah, he is definately not wack, in my opinion he is really dope. The two versions of his album don't really show how good he really is cause they are riddled with too many attempts at commercial tracks. "Boom" is an absolute classic song, as is "I'm The King". He was really dope on the Bad vs Evil tracks, and most of his guest appearance have been really good too.

Hopefully he will stop all this commercial bullshit on his next album and get Primo, Alchemist and co to do the production. If he does then I think he will drop a straight classic.

[S.G.V.]

i never liked anything from royce...hes always been too cocky for me...callin himself detroits king and shit...lmao...rock city was so so...nothin special to me...i just think its funny that he tries to clown d-12...when proof would rip him...

[LyRiCaL_G]

yo everyone go check up on the interview hiphopsite.com did with royce, real new.........shits dope

even the groupies gotta admit, that if wat royce said about eminem being like that is true, it aint a good move

peace

[Jome]

ok ill change my mind to average...thats about it tho...i gotta hear the track first tho...so until i hear the track...hes wack

[EM28]

that fools alrite nothin special

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Dont argue with SGV...It's not even worth it...PeAce