thank god the NFL doesn't have the BCS (but if it did peep this)

[OG Hack Wilson]

these stats all come from www.pro-football-reference.com    it's the "SRS" system which is right on the front page  (includes shit like strength of schedule etc)


these are your top 12 teams of the 32 in the NFL through week 14

the difference in a team's score can be considered a point spread on a neutral field

1-Patriots  12.8
2-Packers  9.4
3-Steelers 8.8
4-Falcons 6.0
5-Chargers 5.9
5-Eagles  5.9
7-Ravens 5.6
8-Giants 4.6
9-Jets 4.4
10-Colts  2.9
11-Saints 2.8
12-Titans    2.7





jesus these stat nerds can't get anything right.  Packers the 2nd best team on a neutral field?

[Shallow]

With a healthy Rodgers on a neutral field I don't see why not. They almost beat Atlanta on the road. And the Pats were a bad throw INT from Manning, or a bad throw dropped INT from Brady away from losing at home against the Colts. Yeah they beat up on the Jets who don't look so tough and the very hit or miss Bears last week, and it makes them look Godly right now. I can;t imagine the back up of the Pack running that team right now in NE so they'll win this week, but I'm calling it right now; if Buffalo doesn't win in two weeks they'll make it close. They they should finish out by beating Miami no matter who starts that game, but I don't expect them to just walk into the Superbowl.

[M Dogg™]

Chargers wouldn't be in the top 10 because to screw the Raiders, the AFC West would not be BCS qualifiers, so unless the Chargers are undefeated they wouldn't make a BCS, let alone the title game.

[Chamillitary Click]

It could very well be a Pats/Packers Superbowl, but playoff style is one billion times better than the BCS way of doing it.

One day College Football will make it playoff format & then it will be the greatest thing ever.

[OG Hack Wilson]

It could very well be a Pats/Packers Superbowl, but playoff style is one billion times better than the BCS way of doing it.

One day College Football will make it playoff format & then it will be the greatest thing ever.

unless the Bears lose out GB is missing the playoffs

[Chamillitary Click]

It could very well be a Pats/Packers Superbowl, but playoff style is one billion times better than the BCS way of doing it.

One day College Football will make it playoff format & then it will be the greatest thing ever.

unless the Bears lose out GB is missing the playoffs

& the Vikings are Favre-less tonight.

[M Dogg™]

See, what I don't get in college football is this, there are 11 conferences, so what you can have is every conference winner in a playoff and then have 5 wild card teams, so that the extra SEC teams of Pac 10 teams can get in, or the Independent teams. You have a 16 team playoff, the lower teams don't feel discriminated and everyone has a chance, as if you want in win your conference.

[Shallow]

See, what I don't get in college football is this, there are 11 conferences, so what you can have is every conference winner in a playoff and then have 5 wild card teams, so that the extra SEC teams of Pac 10 teams can get in, or the Independent teams. You have a 16 team playoff, the lower teams don't feel discriminated and everyone has a chance, as if you want in win your conference.

It seems easy enough. If the whole thing started on New Years Day this year with 8 games all played on the dame day, and then 4 games on the 8th, 2 games on the 15th, and finish it with the Championship game the very next week it'd be huge TV ratings each week, it'd make college guys even bigger stars, generate a boatload of money, and set up to the Superbowl very nicely.

I'm not much of a college ball fan at all but I'd watch every game they showed on TV for the playoffs, by the 2nd or third year I'd be watching college a lot more closely.

[M Dogg™]

See, what I don't get in college football is this, there are 11 conferences, so what you can have is every conference winner in a playoff and then have 5 wild card teams, so that the extra SEC teams of Pac 10 teams can get in, or the Independent teams. You have a 16 team playoff, the lower teams don't feel discriminated and everyone has a chance, as if you want in win your conference.

It seems easy enough. If the whole thing started on New Years Day this year with 8 games all played on the dame day, and then 4 games on the 8th, 2 games on the 15th, and finish it with the Championship game the very next week it'd be huge TV ratings each week, it'd make college guys even bigger stars, generate a boatload of money, and set up to the Superbowl very nicely.

I'm not much of a college ball fan at all but I'd watch every game they showed on TV for the playoffs, by the 2nd or third year I'd be watching college a lot more closely.

And I'd even keep the bowl games too... you know for those not in the playoffs, they can go to a bowl game, played between Christmas and New Years and there would be so much money that it seems crazy they don't do it. Oh well.... one day maybe.

[Shallow]

See, what I don't get in college football is this, there are 11 conferences, so what you can have is every conference winner in a playoff and then have 5 wild card teams, so that the extra SEC teams of Pac 10 teams can get in, or the Independent teams. You have a 16 team playoff, the lower teams don't feel discriminated and everyone has a chance, as if you want in win your conference.

It seems easy enough. If the whole thing started on New Years Day this year with 8 games all played on the dame day, and then 4 games on the 8th, 2 games on the 15th, and finish it with the Championship game the very next week it'd be huge TV ratings each week, it'd make college guys even bigger stars, generate a boatload of money, and set up to the Superbowl very nicely.

I'm not much of a college ball fan at all but I'd watch every game they showed on TV for the playoffs, by the 2nd or third year I'd be watching college a lot more closely.

And I'd even keep the bowl games too... you know for those not in the playoffs, they can go to a bowl game, played between Christmas and New Years and there would be so much money that it seems crazy they don't do it. Oh well.... one day maybe.

I'd just make each playoff game a Bowl game in name, because Bowl Games would lose their luster for the teams that aren't in the top 16. A few here and there would still work, but most would not get their ratings back with everyone waiting for the playoffs. Keep the Rose Bowl with parade as the opening playoff game and make a new Bowl for the Championship game and it'll be huge.

[M Dogg™]

See, what I don't get in college football is this, there are 11 conferences, so what you can have is every conference winner in a playoff and then have 5 wild card teams, so that the extra SEC teams of Pac 10 teams can get in, or the Independent teams. You have a 16 team playoff, the lower teams don't feel discriminated and everyone has a chance, as if you want in win your conference.

It seems easy enough. If the whole thing started on New Years Day this year with 8 games all played on the dame day, and then 4 games on the 8th, 2 games on the 15th, and finish it with the Championship game the very next week it'd be huge TV ratings each week, it'd make college guys even bigger stars, generate a boatload of money, and set up to the Superbowl very nicely.

I'm not much of a college ball fan at all but I'd watch every game they showed on TV for the playoffs, by the 2nd or third year I'd be watching college a lot more closely.

And I'd even keep the bowl games too... you know for those not in the playoffs, they can go to a bowl game, played between Christmas and New Years and there would be so much money that it seems crazy they don't do it. Oh well.... one day maybe.

I'd just make each playoff game a Bowl game in name, because Bowl Games would lose their luster for the teams that aren't in the top 16. A few here and there would still work, but most would not get their ratings back with everyone waiting for the playoffs. Keep the Rose Bowl with parade as the opening playoff game and make a new Bowl for the Championship game and it'll be huge.

You are right with the big bowls. You can have the Rose Bowl (Pac-10), the Orange Bowl (ACC), the Sugar Bowl (SEC), the Cotton Bowl (Big 12) in their traditional roles, along with the Fiesta Bowl and add 3 more venues to the mix. It could work, and then have the other games in neutral sites, were the other bowl games are. I was just thinking since there are 35 Bowl games, meaning 70 teams are in a bowl, the 54 teams that will be left out can still get a bowl game, as to not cost their college money. Of course most of those bowls will be fazed out due to lack of interest eventually. And then the big bowls can be used to host their traditional conferences and be a spring board into the playoffs. I mean seriously, this would be HUGE money.

[Shallow]

See, what I don't get in college football is this, there are 11 conferences, so what you can have is every conference winner in a playoff and then have 5 wild card teams, so that the extra SEC teams of Pac 10 teams can get in, or the Independent teams. You have a 16 team playoff, the lower teams don't feel discriminated and everyone has a chance, as if you want in win your conference.

It seems easy enough. If the whole thing started on New Years Day this year with 8 games all played on the dame day, and then 4 games on the 8th, 2 games on the 15th, and finish it with the Championship game the very next week it'd be huge TV ratings each week, it'd make college guys even bigger stars, generate a boatload of money, and set up to the Superbowl very nicely.

I'm not much of a college ball fan at all but I'd watch every game they showed on TV for the playoffs, by the 2nd or third year I'd be watching college a lot more closely.

And I'd even keep the bowl games too... you know for those not in the playoffs, they can go to a bowl game, played between Christmas and New Years and there would be so much money that it seems crazy they don't do it. Oh well.... one day maybe.

I'd just make each playoff game a Bowl game in name, because Bowl Games would lose their luster for the teams that aren't in the top 16. A few here and there would still work, but most would not get their ratings back with everyone waiting for the playoffs. Keep the Rose Bowl with parade as the opening playoff game and make a new Bowl for the Championship game and it'll be huge.

You are right with the big bowls. You can have the Rose Bowl (Pac-10), the Orange Bowl (ACC), the Sugar Bowl (SEC), the Cotton Bowl (Big 12) in their traditional roles, along with the Fiesta Bowl and add 3 more venues to the mix. It could work, and then have the other games in neutral sites, were the other bowl games are. I was just thinking since there are 35 Bowl games, meaning 70 teams are in a bowl, the 54 teams that will be left out can still get a bowl game, as to not cost their college money. Of course most of those bowls will be fazed out due to lack of interest eventually. And then the big bowls can be used to host their traditional conferences and be a spring board into the playoffs. I mean seriously, this would be HUGE money.

Actually what I meant was name each playoff game after a bowl, and that way the whole month is one giant bowl. It's less money maybe than what you're saying but I just don't see how a bowl game would mean anything if there is a playoffs. Like I said I'm not a college guy but in NFL logic I can only imagine the low ratings for a one off game before or during the playoffs between the two best record teams that didn't make the playoffs, of God forbid the two worst records (unless they were fighting for the #1 pick, and the winner instead of the loser gets it).

[M Dogg™]

See, what I don't get in college football is this, there are 11 conferences, so what you can have is every conference winner in a playoff and then have 5 wild card teams, so that the extra SEC teams of Pac 10 teams can get in, or the Independent teams. You have a 16 team playoff, the lower teams don't feel discriminated and everyone has a chance, as if you want in win your conference.

It seems easy enough. If the whole thing started on New Years Day this year with 8 games all played on the dame day, and then 4 games on the 8th, 2 games on the 15th, and finish it with the Championship game the very next week it'd be huge TV ratings each week, it'd make college guys even bigger stars, generate a boatload of money, and set up to the Superbowl very nicely.

I'm not much of a college ball fan at all but I'd watch every game they showed on TV for the playoffs, by the 2nd or third year I'd be watching college a lot more closely.

And I'd even keep the bowl games too... you know for those not in the playoffs, they can go to a bowl game, played between Christmas and New Years and there would be so much money that it seems crazy they don't do it. Oh well.... one day maybe.

I'd just make each playoff game a Bowl game in name, because Bowl Games would lose their luster for the teams that aren't in the top 16. A few here and there would still work, but most would not get their ratings back with everyone waiting for the playoffs. Keep the Rose Bowl with parade as the opening playoff game and make a new Bowl for the Championship game and it'll be huge.

You are right with the big bowls. You can have the Rose Bowl (Pac-10), the Orange Bowl (ACC), the Sugar Bowl (SEC), the Cotton Bowl (Big 12) in their traditional roles, along with the Fiesta Bowl and add 3 more venues to the mix. It could work, and then have the other games in neutral sites, were the other bowl games are. I was just thinking since there are 35 Bowl games, meaning 70 teams are in a bowl, the 54 teams that will be left out can still get a bowl game, as to not cost their college money. Of course most of those bowls will be fazed out due to lack of interest eventually. And then the big bowls can be used to host their traditional conferences and be a spring board into the playoffs. I mean seriously, this would be HUGE money.

Actually what I meant was name each playoff game after a bowl, and that way the whole month is one giant bowl. It's less money maybe than what you're saying but I just don't see how a bowl game would mean anything if there is a playoffs. Like I said I'm not a college guy but in NFL logic I can only imagine the low ratings for a one off game before or during the playoffs between the two best record teams that didn't make the playoffs, of God forbid the two worst records (unless they were fighting for the #1 pick, and the winner instead of the loser gets it).

Just as someone who use to follow college football more closely than the NFL, I know how big bowl games mean to a college. Even if it's the Beef Bowl in Hickstown, USA, the college going to it has a huge turn out as the student body gets excited and it's big money for the smaller colleges too. You can keep the bowl system I think, and have them play between Christmas and New Years, it's almost like the undercard before getting to the main event. I personally wouldn't watch it, but it's too much money to pass up so keep that part of the system as is. Honestly, if you have a playoff, then I am not completely sold of keeping the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, as is. I would have the losers of the conference championship games play the game instead, but tradition is as it is, why not keep it.The Pac-10 can still host on New Years against a visiting team. You can rotate the other bowls to have neutral sites. Hell, there are 35 bowls to rotate. I just know though that you can't completely turn around the system and not make money for the schools that would be left out. As it is right now, 70 teams out of 120 teams go to a bowl, and limiting to a 16 team playoff would leave out 54 teams. So you need to find a way so 54 teams still make money on bowls, and still have a playoff.

Trust me, I don't like it either, and that's why I don't follow college football no more. After being a college football player for one season, I realized that there is tons of money being made (I played D-III and my school wasn't making money, but there were some programs that made money from boosters and what not) and the players ain't getting jack shit. I don't follow college football because it's a corrupt business, and a player can't even get a free tattoo without getting suspended for 5 games, which is bullshit. I understand a scholarship and I don't believe players should get paid. After all, a full college education is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. But maybe a living stipend would be nice so the kids can go buy a pizza on Thursdays, and actually watch to see if the athlete is going to class and actually getting a college education. I don't blame the kids, I just don't like the system as is, but the reality is it's the system we have and it's what we have to work around. And to deprive 54 schools of bowl money would cause a mini riot among the college elite class.

[Shallow]

I guess you can keep all the Tostitos.com Bowls for the purposes you mentioned, but I just don't see how the major bowls like the Rose or Orange can keep any luster if none of the 16 best teams are in them. Would anyone really care about the Rose Bowl if the two teams in it weren't good enough to even make the playoffs?

[M Dogg™]

I guess you can keep all the Tostitos.com Bowls for the purposes you mentioned, but I just don't see how the major bowls like the Rose or Orange can keep any luster if none of the 16 best teams are in them. Would anyone really care about the Rose Bowl if the two teams in it weren't good enough to even make the playoffs?

It's true, so maybe the Rose and Orange as in the first round. Traditionally the Rose Bowl is the Pac-10 champ vs. the Big 10 champ, I say just have it the Pac-10 champ hosting the first round, and that's the Rose Bowl. I still am not 100% sold on this, but it would be the best way to honor the big 4 bowls (Cotton, Sugar, Orange and Rose) since they are so rich in tradition.